[PD] and it's PR/Marketing, or those

Pete Hindle petehindle at gmx.co.uk
Mon Oct 16 12:48:44 CEST 2006

Okay, so Adrian might not have put his concerns in the best way, but  
I think that we shouldn't discount what he's saying.

For instance, the website puredata.info could use some sprucing up.   
I don't have any CMS axe to grind, but it would be nice if the front  
page was less technobabble and more advertisement for PD.  It would  
also be nice to have the different downloads explained - the download  
page has links to two different versions, Puckette's .39 and extended  
version .38.4.  If you were new to Pure Data, which one would you go  
for?  Perhaps you might want some advice on which one to download?

The puredata.info website does not truly represent what could be done  
with the internet resources, and injecting a little PR/marketing  
would not be a bad thing.  For those not familiar with it, take a  
look at the Processing.org webpage - another open-source project,  
with a webpage that really spells out the things that can be done  
with that language.  For many people - myself included - , the  
puredata.info webpage is an important first call as they start to  
learn PD, and making it more accessible would only benefit the  
community in the long run.


On 15 Oct 2006, at 22:06, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:

> On Sat, 14 Oct 2006, Adrian wrote:
>> Maybe i'm just frustrated about my own lack of skill. I was  
>> fascinated about projects like pdp, gridflow and especially  
>> desiredata. But installing them is a hell for me as a OS X user,  
>> and the least i wanna do is search/install for all the necessary  
>> things.
> Installing those programs on OSX is also a chore for me, but that's  
> mostly because I don't use OSX. I really don't have to. However, if  
> you care, you could make some effort in talking to OSX users that  
> are trying to make those things work. I've just received a mail  
> today, telling me a list of fixes to do about OSX for the new  
> makefile system which was introduced 7 months ago already.
>> - Vastly improvement of the webcommunity, very important:
>> Except for a very good maillinglist there is no real source for a
>> community for pd on the net. The forum at hurleur.com is a joke,
> We don't need separate forums other than the mailing-list unless  
> those forums have different focuses than the main mailing-list. For  
> example, the pdmtl mailing-list is focused on French-speaking and/ 
> or Montréal-based use of PureData.
> (I don't consider web-only forums to be worth anything more than  
> email-based forums, in most cases)
>> and that the official site is deadland is just sad.
> Which official site? Do you mean http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/ 
> software.html or http://puredata.info/ ? I think that Hans is  
> already making quite a bit of effort to maintain the latter... What  
> do you want it to be?
>> Furthermore the site needs to be ordered and probably hardly  
>> overworked,
> "hardly overworked" is almost certainly two bad translations put  
> next to each other. (Maybe you should consult a dictionary.)
>> there is nothing wrong in making it accesible to as many people as  
>> possible by runnig it in plone, but is it nessecary?
> You want to prepare the terrain so that in the next email you may  
> suggest replacing Plone by your favourite content management  
> system; however you're doing a bad job of arguing against Plone,  
> especially because you're not arguing against it.
>> The people accesing the site now will probably not need that the  
>> site is universible compatible with every last browser on this  
>> earth and history, etc.
> Yeah, like what do you mean by that? Why do you care that the site  
> is too compatible???
>> - And last, the documentation:
>> Order, Unifying, Improve
> If you care, participate. There was a talk about the PureData  
> Documentation Project in Bergen, Norway, *today*, by Ben,  
> Alexandre, Darsha, Stéphanie and Koray. There are PDDP meetings  
> online as well, especially on IRC, but there hasn't been one since  
> last spring if I recall correctly.
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