[PD] Abstraction [define]

[day 5]

(IMHO) `State saving` would nominally be all data stored in

* Toggle
* Number
* Number2
* Symbol
* Internally in [f ]/[i ] objects (and permutations involving [t ])
* Messages exactly as they are at save time
* V/Hslider
* V/Hradio
* Tables
* Arrays

Optionally
|_> Add a mechanism to the API so that externals can support 
registering their parameters as belonging to the state. The above only 
applies to canonical Pd.

Of course if I am incorrect or presumptuous, then I'm certain others 
will correct and discuss. Breaking the ice is fine too.


./d5

On Dec 16, 2006, at 6:29 PM, Miller Puckette wrote:

> Exactly.  If I could answer those questions I'd code it up right now...
>
> cheers
> Miller
>
> On Sun, Dec 17, 2006 at 01:21:29AM +0100, Frank Barknecht wrote:
>> Hallo,
>> Mathieu Bouchard hat gesagt: // Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 15 Dec 2006, Frank Barknecht wrote:
>>>
>>>> A further step would be some easy way to read and write the state of
>>>> objects without having to watch their communication through senders 
>>>> and
>>>> receivers, but that's the hard part, because it touches 
>>>> philosophical
>>>> questions like: What actually is a state? ;)
>>>
>>> There's nothing funny or joke-like in that. I ask you: what is a 
>>> state?
>>
>> What I think is funny about this question is that often it seems
>> people would think the answer is obvious, while I agree with you that
>> it's not obvious at all!
>>
>>> I'd say, a state is whatever you may want to save. Is that a good
>>> definition?
>>
>> This would be my basic definition as well. Even this has some direct
>> consequences: What I want to save is different from what you want to
>> save. What I want to save also somehow defines what I don't want to
>> save. So the next questions are: How to tell Pd what should be saved 
>> and
>> what not? Or: Can Pd make educated guesses about what should and
>> shouldn't be saved? Should Pd guess at all?
>>
>> Ciao
>> -- 
>>  Frank Barknecht                 _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__