[PD] Dynamic generation of $0-including objects?

[Steffen]

On 08/02/2007, at 14.45, Roman Haefeli wrote:

> On Thu, 2007-02-08 at 14:21 +0100, Steffen wrote:
>> On 08/02/2007, at 13.35, Frank Barknecht wrote:
>>
>>> Hallo,
>>> Roman Haefeli hat gesagt: // Roman Haefeli wrote:
>>>
>>>> [...] as far as
>>>> i can see it. the only case i could think of, that would require
>>>> litteral '$0's as abstraction arguments, would be, if you would use
>>>> dynamic patching just as a quicker way of patching.
>>>
>>> ... which actually is a very sensible usecase!
>>
>> In terms of state-saving?
>
> normally state saving is used to set variable controllers of a
> 'hardwired' patch/synth/hardware to a specific state, without changing
> the patch/synth/hardware itself. that is why i'd say, that when a
> dynamically created patch (more accurate: a patch, that contains
> dynamically created parts) is saved, this shouldn't be considered as a
> state-saving mechanism.
>
> what frank and i have been talking about, is rather that dynamic
> creation could also be used to speed up patching progress, so that
> dynamic creation is used as long the patch is not finished and when  
> the
> patch is finished, no dynamic creation is involved anymore. such a
> scenario would require the ability to create abstractions with  
> litteral
> '$0's as arguments dynamically.

The later part i understand. But i was thinking that some clever  
algorithmic scoring could use dynamical patching in which case the  
saving of the patch - with the dynamically crated parts - would be  
state saving of the score. I might be out deep, as I'm not sure it  
makes sense in Pd.