Roman Haefeli reduzierer at yahoo.de
Sat May 19 00:32:34 CEST 2007

```cool work! thanks for sharing it!

personally, i like a logarithmic curve the most for decay and release
(this is also, how decays happen to be in nature [e.g a bell]), though
otoh, a logarithmic curve doesn't make much sense for attack, if applied
to the amplitude (nothing happens for a long period and then suddenly
the sound comes).
how about using a separate c parameter for the attack, so that one could
have fat (for attack) and hollow (for decay) at the same time?

roman

On Fri, 2007-05-18 at 14:35 -0700, Phil Stone wrote:
> I found and fixed a condition that kept some sustain changes from being
> propagated.  I cleaned other stuff up a little, too.
>
>
> (tweaked text from previous announcement:)
>
> > I have been working on envelopes lately, and I have come up with
> > something that I'd like to share. I started out with the basic ADSR in
> > Miller's examples; I wanted variable envelope curves, but I didn't want
> > the overhead of on-the-fly sqrt's or complex expr's. Therefore,
> > [multiCurveAdsr] uses table-lookup for enveloping, with just one
> > multiplication for level-scaling. The lookup table only needs to be
> > computed when the "curve factor" is changed.
> >
> > Three basic curve types are possible. C (curve factor) = 1 gives the
> > basic linear envelope. C > 1 gives a continuous range of fatter,
> > "ead"-like envelopes. C < 1 is a special case; for any value of C less
> > than 1, you get one "quartic"-like, hollow curve. (I really like the
> > way this one sounds, by the way).
> >
> > The math in the [pd makeCurve] subpatch is not elegant -- I took an
> > empirical approach, tweaking things until I got the shapes I wanted --
> > but it works well enough. One little hitch I ran into was that sustain
> > level varied with different curve factors, so I made a corrective
> > subpatch that keeps sustain values consistent across the different
> > curves. This subpatch only comes into play when the sustain value or
> > curve factor changes.
> >
> > The right output emits 1 on attack, and 0 after release is complete. I
> > use this to switch~ the voice being enveloped, for further CPU-cycle
> > economy.
> >
> > The help patch shows the effect of the different curve factors
> > graphically. I don't think there are any dependencies outside of
> > "Miller Vanilla" PD.
> >
> > I use [multiCurveAdsr] for my own synthesis abstractions, and find that
> > it sounds pretty good, plus it's thrifty on CPU-usage, even with many
> > voices. I hope somebody else finds it useful. Any suggestions for
> > improvement will be greatly appreciated.
>
>
> Phil Stone
>
>
>
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