[PD] PD i education

Hans-Christoph Steiner hans at eds.org
Wed May 30 15:02:51 CEST 2007

I sometimes forget even the names of the objects that I have written,  
so I would use the dictionary for sure.  So you are not alone in the  
desire for a dictionary, there is at least two of us ;)


On May 30, 2007, at 7:51 AM, Anders Friberg wrote:

> This is a quite extreme viewpoint. Translate that to language  
> learning, for example a German learning English. It implies that  
> using a dictionary from German to English is forbidden and the only  
> available dictionary is from English to German. Then assume that  
> the German guy have some basic understanding of the English  
> language but forgot one word... This is exactly my own case. Maybe  
> I am away from pd for a year (God forbid!). Then most of my fluency  
> will fade away and a dictionary would be extremely helpful. I tend  
> to remember functionality but not the exact block name. Am I alone?
> We also try to avoid any fancy stuff in the basic tutorials but we  
> use pd-extended ourselfs and we provide ready-made patches using pd- 
> extended that the students can interface to.
> /Anders
> Frank Barknecht wrote:
>> Hallo,
>> Anders Friberg hat gesagt: // Anders Friberg wrote:
>>> However, the most common problem is the following:
>>> I want to do this  - is there block that can do it and what's
>>> the name of it?
>>> In the majority of cases in the beginning there is actually  
>>> already a
>>> block that can do it but there is no way to find out except  
>>> browse the
>>> whole documentation including all packages and guess. It used to  
>>> pop up
>>> a text file with blocks ordered according to purpose in vanilla  
>>> pd which
>>> I think was of great help. I suppose this is considered to  
>>> lowtech and
>>> inflexible considering all the packages etc.
>> I consider "learning the blocks" part of a more general issue with
>> learning Pd. Like many other languages, natural ones like English or
>> programming languages like C, a user of that language needs to  
>> develop
>> a higher level of literacy.
>> When children learn how to read, at first they decipher words letter
>> by letter: "c-a-t", "d-o-g", "e-l-e-p-h-a-n-t" etc.
>> Adult people don't do this anymore, instead they immediatly recognize
>> complete words or even phrases and sentences, youknowhaddamean?
>> In Pd developing this kind of an eye for phrases, blocks, idioms or
>> whatever you call them is just as important. Having a dictionary at
>> hand is of not much help here, you only gain that ability through
>> constant use, through reading and writing patches yourself.
>> That's why I started to do special excercises in my workshops to
>> improve the student's literacy in Pd. A simple one is attached:
>> hellokitty.pd contains some Pd phrases, some "kittens" as I call  
>> them,
>> that have lost their home. Students are asked to decipher them and
>> think about, what might be the correct "home" for these "kittens",  
>> the
>> place they belong to in a Pd patch. Giving the kittens a name may  
>> help
>> with remembering their structure.
>> Ciao
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