[PD] PD i education

[Kyle Klipowicz]

True, I agree that showing the power of abstractions 'under the hood'
is a great thing. but still, it should be carefully used.

For instance, teaching someone how to use PixelTango before their
learning Gem is a bad idea. I like to look at PixelTango abstractions
now to get ideas for my own Gem toys, but that is because I started
using Gem from the basic objects first.

I guess what I was trying to say is that it's nice to show off these
flashy libraries and all, but I wouldn't want to be teaching someone
something and have them get distracted by the glitz before they get a
solid grasp on the principles.

Now, for things such as demux, et al, I wholeheartedly agree that we
should be trying to do this with standard objects. There is a definite
gray area here between abstractions that act as applications and those
that mimic native Pd objects or low-level externals.

Sometimes I think the motto of Pd should be:

"The picture is the program is the programming language is the
application is the GUI is the tangled mess is the where am I again?"

~Kyle

On 5/30/07, Roman Haefeli <reduzierer at yahoo.de> wrote:
> On Wed, 2007-05-30 at 12:29 -0500, Kyle Klipowicz wrote:
> > I guess I think that the best approach is to give them Pd-extended,
> > but only show the vanilla objects and documentation first. Then, after
> > they are proficient with the basics, blow their minds with Gem, hid,
> > Pduino, list-abs, rtc-lib, rradical, etc.
>
> why not show them pduino, list-abs, rtc-lib, rradical from the
> beginning? to stick with the [list prepend]-[route] vs. [demux] example:
> the problem here is, that [demux] is an external, which doesn't give you
> an idea, how things could be done otherwise (without specialized
> objects). if [demux] would be substituted by an abstraction made of
> [list prepend]-[route], you could have an insight, how things are done.
> in other words, i think, there is no drawback in using abstractions from
> the beginning, but maybe there is one with externals.
>
> roman
>
>
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