[PD] Latest Pd-extended experiences (zexy)

Hans-Christoph Steiner hans at eds.org
Sun Jun 3 18:52:01 CEST 2007


There have been a number of discussions about "flatspace" on the  
list, if you are interested in knowing more about the whole story, I  
recommend checking out the archives of pd-list and pd-dev

http://puredata.org/community/lists

.hc

On Jun 3, 2007, at 11:49 AM, David Powers wrote:

> Just to be clear, I think this package is great, and clearly superior
> to previous ones. I know it takes time, but things are clearly going
> in the right direction! And I know it's hard sometimes to get everyone
> on the same page in an open source project where things aren't managed
> in such a hierarchical way.
>
> I'm still a little confused about this "flatspace" folder, ie. just
> what is there and why. But most important, is that at least now I know
> I should check it.
>
> ~David
>
> On 6/3/07, Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans at eds.org> wrote:
>>
>> Things are not moving to flatspace, that's from the "pd-externals"
>> package build system.  Unfortunately, a couple devs have been
>> removing things from flatspace.  It should be kept as is for
>> backwards compatibility.
>>
>> You are right, all this stuff should be documented much better.  It's
>> a matter of someone doing the work, I don't think anyone is opposed
>> to having more documentation.  Part of the big drive for making Pd-
>> extended is to have a common platform of all this code.  If you used
>> externals before the externals packages and Pd-extended, you'll
>> remember lots of pain related to that.  Now that it's starting to
>> take shape, perhaps more people can contribute to making it better
>> documented, work smoother, etc.
>>
>> .hc
>>
>>
>> On Jun 3, 2007, at 11:25 AM, David Powers wrote:
>>
>> > Perhaps it's a matter of missing documentation? I don't think, that
>> > discussing something on a mailing list counts as "documentation".
>> > There is a readme file that loads up when I install Pd-extended, I
>> > would expect such a file to tell me of the kind of changes that  
>> will
>> > totally break my work when I upgrade. Perhaps just a big BOLD  
>> notice
>> > telling users to check in flatspace folder for missing externals.
>> >
>> > I guess I missed all this discussion you refer to, but if I read  
>> this
>> > list when I am in the middle of workday coding bad PHP or Ajax, I'm
>> > not so likely to remember some things. In fact, the only thing I  
>> knew
>> > about was counter, I had no idea about the random stuff and no
>> > recollection of ever seeing this discussion. I guess that's weird,
>> > maybe I'm getting old and forgetting everything... ;-)
>> >
>> > I guess I didn't realize how much was moving to flatspace, the
>> > discussion made me think it was things I didn't really use and  
>> not a
>> > very large amount of externals. Now that I've looked in that  
>> folder I
>> > see what you are talking about!!!
>> >
>> > Anyway in this case I rebuilt the externals as abstractions, which
>> > wasn't so hard. The randomF I posted was missing a loadbang  
>> though, so
>> > attached is the corrected one for posterity's sake...
>> >
>> > ~David
>> >
>> > Anyway I missed a loadbang in my last patch, so here are the
>> >
>> > ~David
>> >
>> > On 6/3/07, Frank Barknecht <fbar at footils.org> wrote:
>> >> Hallo,
>> >> David Powers hat gesagt: // David Powers wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Second issue, which to me is perhaps a bigger problem: the  
>> utility
>> >> > externals seem to have disappeared from Gem with no warning.
>> >>
>> >> IIRC the "warning" was kind of discussed several times on the
>> >> Gem/Pd-related lists, but nevertheless: the MarkEx files have been
>> >> moved out of Gem to their own "library" called "markex" in
>> >> pd-extended. There they are also part of what's called  
>> "flatspace" in
>> >> pd-extended-lingo.
>> >>
>> >> Ciao
>> >> --
>> >>  Frank Barknecht                 _ ______footils.org_  
>> __goto10.org__
>> >>
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