[PD] pd-0.38 installation
ruth mccracken
ruth_mccracken01 at yahoo.com
Tue Jun 5 03:45:31 CEST 2007
Thank you, Frank.
However - I installed the latest 0.40 autobuild build this afternoon.
And got exactly the same error message about the libvos3gcc3.so library not being found, despite the link being present in the appropriate directory.
any further thoughts?
again, my thanks,
Ruth
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1. pd-0.38 installation [Was: PD-list Digest, Vol 27, Issue 15]
(Frank Barknecht)
2. Re: Latest Pd-extended experiences (David Powers)
3. Re: PD i education (Andy Farnell)
4. loading freeframe-objects with Gem/Pd-extended (was Re:
Latest Pd-extended experiences) (IOhannes m zmoelnig)
5. Re: gem based multi headed "media player" (moritz)
6. Re: PD i education (Frank Barknecht)
7. Re: puredata Arduino and Ping (Kyle Klipowicz)
8. Re: [OT] PD i education (oliver)
9. binweise delay (Mirko Maier)
10. Re: binweise delay (Frank Barknecht)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 15:52:10 +0200
From: Frank Barknecht
Subject: [PD] pd-0.38 installation [Was: PD-list Digest, Vol 27, Issue
15]
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Hallo,
(I changed the subject to something more meaningful.)
ruth mccracken hat gesagt: // ruth mccracken wrote:
> I have installed pd-extended 0.38.4 on ubuntu feisty. When I tried to open it, it asked for several libraries. So I made several symbolic links to libraries it has asked for, and they appear to be working OK.
first: I wouldn't bother at all with such an ancient version of Pd
anymore. We're (almost) at 0.41 in regular Pd now, 0.38 is obsolete,
You should try to install at least version 0.39, or even one of the
0.40 autobuilds (they work fine on Linux).
Ciao
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 08:48:11 -0500
From: "David Powers"
Subject: Re: [PD] Latest Pd-extended experiences
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Just to be clear and follow up, some of this was caused because I was
not only missing randomF, but also tripleRand (replacing with
abstractions in my extra directory was easiest solution.) That's
cleared up, and as a whole my monster Vj patch does run. (And the font
issue isn't a big deal, in fact arial never worked "out of the box"
anyway you had to copy the font over somewhere).
The [pix_freeframe] problem, however, seems to be the only real
remaining problem. Note that these worked with my previous pd+Gem
combo. The only thing that has changed is my version of PD. But the
plugins just won't load now. I'm using the identical patch except for
replaced objects. So would I want to replace this Gem with some other
one, wait for a new pd-extended, or what? Adding those plugins
certainly gives Gem a nice extra range of pix manipulation abilities,
though not essential to my work.
*Sorry about the bad subject line, gmail doesn't let you change it in
a reply, it's annoying, but I use it so I can check email from work
and keep track of things when I don't have access to my own
computer...
~David
> just to make sure: you DO have a PeteSlide.dll in C:/vid/gem-vj/freeframe/?
> and Gem has been able to load this dll in previous incarnations?
>
>
> > trying to load C:/vid/gem-vj/freeframe/PeteGaussianBlur
> > C:\\vid\\gem-vj\\freeframe\\PeteGaussianBlur: couldn't load
> > error: GemException: couldn't load FreeFrame-plugin
> > pix_freeframe freeframe/PeteGaussianBlur
> > ... couldn't create
> mfga.sdr
> IOhannes
>
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 03:17:51 +0100
From: Andy Farnell
Subject: Re: [PD] PD i education
To: pd-list at iem.at
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On Tue, 29 May 2007 10:39:40 +0200
"Eirik Arthur Blekesaune" wrote:
> Can anybody help me point out who uses PD to teach electronic music? ..
> (Algoritmic) Composistion
> Synthesis
> DSP-theory
> real-time performance
Electronic music and DSP are intersecting, I think Pd is unique
in its potential to teach the greatest amount in a single environment.
Before Pd you could only cover such a wide range of principles
with a pile of different tools.
How to break up units into music processing, composition, synthesis,
sequencing? Here's my unit outlines...
http://www.obiwannabe.co.uk/html/workshops/units-list.html
> What are the pros and cons for using it to teach DSP-theory?
Pros: DSP has a very wide applications field, with Pd it's
easy to demonstrate/model lots of things, not just sound, but possibly
radar, process control, machine listening, without expensive DSP
development boards. If I had more time and resources I would include
some physical/electronics and interfacing stuff, because that is useful
for real time performance and instrument designers imo.
With GUI canvas concept it is possible to build active teaching tools
with Pd itself. Active lecture slides that are patches and contain links
to other patches makes Pd a very powerful demonstration device for CBT.
It's free open source software, perfect for teaching, now students only
need knowledge and motivation, not expensive licenses to get education.
Cons, hmm, as Tom said, the fine grain sample/block level could be
better somehow. There's a river to cross when moving between teaching
about delays and filters. And for Pd to be a mature as a development tool
as well as for teaching it needs to output code that can be compiled
into new externals or used in separate applications. I believe these two
things are related. It's like Pd is missing a lowest level where you can
basically write simplified code into objects and compile them.
>
> Best,
> Eirik Blekesaune
>
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 16:20:27 +0200
From: IOhannes m zmoelnig
Subject: [PD] loading freeframe-objects with Gem/Pd-extended (was Re:
Latest Pd-extended experiences)
To: David Powers
Cc: pd-list
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David Powers wrote:
> Just to be clear and follow up, some of this was caused because I was
> not only missing randomF, but also tripleRand (replacing with
> abstractions in my extra directory was easiest solution.) That's
> cleared up, and as a whole my monster Vj patch does run. (And the font
ya, i noticed that most problems have been solved when reading your
other mail after sending my reply....
> issue isn't a big deal, in fact arial never worked "out of the box"
> anyway you had to copy the font over somewhere).
fonts are searched using the pd-paths (as, to my knowledge, is
documented in the help-files...); so you can just add "-path
C:/windoze/fonts" (or whatever) to give you direct access to all
installed truetype-fonts)
>
> The [pix_freeframe] problem, however, seems to be the only real
> remaining problem. Note that these worked with my previous pd+Gem
> combo. The only thing that has changed is my version of PD. But the
> plugins just won't load now. I'm using the identical patch except for
> replaced objects. So would I want to replace this Gem with some other
> one, wait for a new pd-extended, or what? Adding those plugins
> certainly gives Gem a nice extra range of pix manipulation abilities,
> though not essential to my work.
yes, that's the point of having a freeframe-loader available....
anyhow, could you try replacing the current Gem.dll with an older one
(where you know that it worked) and report back?
make sure you do have backups though...
mfg.asdr
IOhannes
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 17:12:27 +0200
From: moritz
Subject: Re: [PD] gem based multi headed "media player"
To: Tim Boykett
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Tim Boykett wrote:
>
> hi,
>
> has anyone had any experience using (multiple) gem(s)
> to output several videos simultaneously on a multiheaded
> (linux) box?
>
> the questions that arise as we ponder this is how much CPU gets
> used to decode the video, how much to render, how much the
> graphics cards can take away effort from the CPU, what sort of
> idea of harddisks can make the data transfer more efficent, etc.
>
> any experiences? any suggestions?
>
> cheers,
>
> tim
hello
with a P4 2.ghz and very important, a graphic card with its own memory
(with restricted drivers, opengl support, here nv?d?a ) under ubuntu can
i buffer (with pix_buffer) more than 8 videos all at 16 seconds length
but this are not videos from a harddisk, but directly from one webcam
--> cpu uses less than 10%...so the graphiccard does here his job very well.
but at this point pd has nothing to handle with the harddisk.
i dont have experiences reading non-live videos (from harddisk) and Gem.
When i want to render the gemwindow to harddisk with pix_record and
pix_snap i have a cpu-load of 100%, tested with all available codecs..
sometimes pd crashes, sometimes i got corrupt movie-files, few times i
got playable movies. i got not a stable solution now for rendering.
cio
moritz
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 17:42:45 +0200
From: Frank Barknecht
Subject: Re: [PD] PD i education
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Hallo,
Andy Farnell hat gesagt: // Andy Farnell wrote:
> How to break up units into music processing, composition, synthesis,
> sequencing? Here's my unit outlines...
>
> http://www.obiwannabe.co.uk/html/workshops/units-list.html
One thing that I always forget to ask students to bring besides
laptop, USB-sticks etc. but that is out absolutely crucial and is
still often missing: They have to bring a *mouse*. Patching Pd with
the touchpad is a major pain.
Ciao
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Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 11:08:24 -0500
From: "Kyle Klipowicz"
Subject: Re: [PD] puredata Arduino and Ping
To: "marius schebella"
Cc: PD-list at iem.at
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Yes, please describe the physical configuration of the 5 sensors
Marko. I am working on a similar project using 6 sensors, but we have
not done much testing in our proper configuration yet.
My guess is that since all the sensors are hard wired with a specific
ping frequency, they will detect each other's pings when placed in
close proximity.
~Kyle
On 6/3/07, marius schebella wrote:
> Hi,
>
> your code and patch look good. It is not clear to me, why you are using
> these delaytimes for the different sensors. but that should not affect
> your results anyway. the minimum delaytime between two measurements is
> only 200microseconds. but maybe it also depends on the length of the
> impulse? would it be possible, that the sensing fields of the 5 sensors
> overlap, and you get the crosstalk from that?
> on the other hand, it may also be possible that the problem is in your
> circuit. you could try to use 10k pulldown resistors. maybe that stops
> the crosstalk.
>
> marius.
>
>
> Marko Timlin wrote:
> > I am working with several ultra sound sensors called Ping from Parallax
> > wired to an Arduino board that is connected to puredata.
> > currently I am working with 3 sensors and it works fine.
> >
> > now I want to work with 5 sensors and the following problem occurs:
> > - I get "phantom" values on sensors that are not modified: if, for example, I change the value of sensor B, sensor C also changes its values, not exactely syncronized but it jumps to a simlar value range. very annoying indeed.
> > is that a problem of my script for arduino or a problem of pd?
> > does anybody already have experience with such a configuration?
> > I am using Pd version 0.39.2-extended-RC1 on windows xp.
> >
> > attached you find the arduino and pd patch for that idea.
> >
> > thanks,
> > marko
> >
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 18:37:52 +0200
From: oliver
Subject: Re: [PD] [OT] PD i education
To: Andy Farnell
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hi, andy
really interesting site:
http://www.obiwannabe.co.uk/html/compositions/compositions.html
only bad thing is that most of your music-example patches for download require
abstractions that are not included. that's sad, because i really liked the pokesdown-patch
(the only one that works)
btw: padawan vst-instruments are also great !
ciao
oliver
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 19:07:20 +0200
From: "Mirko Maier"
Subject: [PD] binweise delay
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hi list,
is there a possibility for binwise spectral delay with fft? i tried to write the analysis in buffers and read it time-variably out before re-synthesizing, but that didn't work (in fact buffer writing / reading the analysis did not work at all).
mirko
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 19:57:58 +0200
From: Frank Barknecht
Subject: Re: [PD] binweise delay
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Hallo,
Mirko Maier hat gesagt: // Mirko Maier wrote:
> is there a possibility for binwise spectral delay with fft? i tried
> to write the analysis in buffers and read it time-variably out
> before re-synthesizing, but that didn't work (in fact buffer writing
> / reading the analysis did not work at all).
Is this: http://footils.org/cms/show/60 what you mean?
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