[PD] difference send and using msg with ";"

Hans-Christoph Steiner hans at eds.org
Thu Aug 16 19:32:04 CEST 2007


To start with, $ args mean different things in message boxes, so it's  
not clear what $0 would mean in a message box.  Making $0 in a  
message box behave like $0 in an object box could be a quick hack,  
but it could also have ramifications going forward.

.hc

On Aug 16, 2007, at 7:20 PM, Thomas Grill wrote:

> True - i could never understand why this isn't the case. But i
> remember that there have been related discussions on the list months
> or years ago
> greetings, Thomas
>
> Am 16.08.2007 um 19:10 schrieb marius schebella:
>
>> it is a pity that there is no $0 in messages. that would help so  
>> much!
>> most of the time I use local send/receive like s $0-blabla. with
>> messages you always have to mess with workaounds to achieve the
>> same result.
>> marius.
>>
>>
>> Roman Haefeli wrote:
>>> i don't know if there is a technical difference in efficiency, but
>>> there
>>> is a difference in use. at least before 0.40, using [; $1 $2( was  
>>> the
>>> only way to achieve a settable send.
>>> there is also a cosmetic aspect: if you want to collect some initial
>>> values together at some place, it is much nicer to have only one
>>> message
>>> box, where all values can be stored instead of having a
>>>
>>> [loadbang]
>>> |
>>> [13]
>>> |
>>> [s value]
>>>
>>> construction for each value.
>>>
>>> this:
>>>
>>> [loadbang]
>>> |__________________
>>> |;                /
>>> |value 34         |
>>> |somevalue 127    |
>>> |othervalue 57    |
>>> |yoyo 1___________\
>>>
>>> looks much nicer and is easier to edit, isn't it?
>>>
>>> roman
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, 2007-08-16 at 12:36 -0400, marius schebella wrote:
>>>> Hey,
>>>> when I look through miller's tutorial patches, I often find ";-
>>>> messages"
>>>> instead of a send object like:
>>>> [;detune $1(
>>>> vs
>>>> [s detune]
>>>> I wonder why, is there a significant difference? is one more
>>>> efficient
>>>> then the other (if yes, I always thought send is more  
>>>> efficient..?).
>>>> this is not urgent, I can sleep without an answer! just curious.
>>>> marius.
>>>>
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