[PD] fundamental hot/cold midi question

Hans-Christoph Steiner hans at eds.org
Wed Sep 26 20:16:34 CEST 2007


On Sep 26, 2007, at 1:01 PM, Derek Holzer wrote:

> Howdy all,
>
> David Powers wrote:
>
>> Actually, once you get used to PD, max patches typically look far  
>> less
>> 'logical', in my opinion.
>
> Actually, the fact that on-screen position affects order of operations
> at all is very illogical if you ask me. It can get especially  
> confusing
> when sends and receives get involved. If the subpatch with the receive
> is nested three layers deep on the left hand side of the screen,  
> but the
> send is on the right, when does it do it's thing? (Don't ask me, I've
> never really used MAX...) And if moving that subpatch a few pixels to
> the right can change the functioning of an entire patch, that is a  
> very
> fundamental flaw for sure!
>
> Getting used to [trigger] is fundamental to using PD. It confuses the
> hell out of workshop participants the first time you explain it,  
> but by
> the end every one of them has usually come up to me asking me to sort
> out an order of operations problem that can be easily solved by  
> using it.

Do you have any good examples to illustrate that?  I wrote this one,  
but it's a bit boring:

http://pure-data.cvs.sourceforge.net/*checkout*/pure-data/doc/ 
tutorials/intro/16.ordering_messages.pd?revision=1.4

.hc

>
> best,
> d.
>
> -- 
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