[PD] fundamental hot/cold midi question

[Luke Iannini (pd)]

Sorry I can't quote correctly, I'm typing from a mobile.

Regarding [outlet]s (and inlets) being position dependent, I've always
felt they should accept an argument like [outlet 0] etc to specify
which they should be on the outside, and perhaps revert to the current
behavior with no argument.

Also, regarding timer and other exceptions for cosmetics, I think
these do more harm than good; I often have trouble remembering their
specialness.


On 9/26/07, Frank Barknecht <fbar at footils.org> wrote:
> Hallo,
> Steffen hat gesagt: // Steffen wrote:
>
> > On 26/09/2007, at 17.57, Stephen Sinclair wrote:
> >
> > > looking at an outlet with several lines
> > > coming out of it, to determine what order they will trigger.
> >
> > I think the question, from Atte, was about the order in case of
> > multiple outlets of an object. That is not about multiple lines/
> > connections out of a single outlet.
>
> But it's all connected! ;)
>
> The generally right-to-left temperature agreement of hot and cold
> inlets in objects has very deep consequences. Outlets generally fire
> right to left *because* generally the cold inlets are are on the right
> and they get hotter until you reach the hot inlet on the left.
>
> Even the usual example of a reversed inlet-order, [timer], is reversed
> *because* outlets of important other objects fire right to left,
> namely [t b b] which gives the nice
>
>  [t b b]
>  |     |
>  [timer]
>
> idiom without crossing wires.
>
> And connected to the problem of ordering is the problem of how to deal
> with multiple cords leaving one outlet, that in Pd practically have
> undefined order.
>
> Another thing, people often forget is that they should take great care
> to also make abstractions fire accordingly, usually right-to-left, and
> also make them expect their inlet data in that order (or in another
> order like [timer], but then deliberatly, not just because one didn't
> think of the order).
>
> Ciao
> --
>  Frank Barknecht                 _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__
>
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