[PD] That's a surprising new look

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

I understand that they are trying to separate the interface from the  
implementation.  The problem with that technique is there isn't a  
clear way to tell which item in presentation mode belongs to which  
item in edit mode.    I can see having to click back and forth  
between presentation and edit modes to figure out which GUI element  
is attached where.  It'll only get worse with more complicated patches.

Max/Pd are graphical languages, so such things should be represented  
visually, whenever possible.  I don't see how the two different  
positions are represented, besides the little moving fade between the  
two modes.

I think the "hide patch coords" function also has similar issues, it  
basically reinforces bad habits.   The Pd graph-on-parent makes more  
sense IMHO because it uses existing Pd mechanisms for encapsulation  
and encourages patchers to modularize their programs.  GOP definitely  
needs work, but I think it's a better path.

On a positive note, the new file browser stuff looks really handy.   
The drag-n-drop message creation looks nifty, but I am not sure how  
useful it is.  Maybe yes, maybe no.

.hc

On Oct 9, 2007, at 3:15 PM, vade wrote:

> Hans, thats the whole point of presentation mode, to separate the  
> patching logic from the presentation!
>
> you can organize your gui elements in the code in places that make  
> sense and follow the logical flow of the patch, and then present  
> them in the UI however you choose.
>
> I am so glad they finally listened to Max users screaming for PD's  
> keyboard shortcuts for instantiation of objects method. Will make  
> patching much faster for us Max users.
>
>
> On Oct 9, 2007, at 2:55 PM, altern wrote:
>
>> these links interesting as well.
>>
>> An article by Zicarelly:
>> http://www.cycling74.com/?op=displaystory;sid=2007/9/28/105551/882
>>
>> and videos showing the new max:
>> http://www.cycling74.com/story/2007/10/5/91222/9559
>>
>>
>> Hans-Christoph Steiner(e)k dio:
>>>
>>> Hmm, looks nice, with lots of nifty features.  But I think a lot  
>>> of them
>>> would drive me nuts.  Like the fact that you can move the GUI  
>>> elements
>>> around in presentation mode separately from edit mode.
>>>
>>> .hc
>>>
>>> On Oct 8, 2007, at 9:53 PM, Thomas O Fredericks wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/10/08/first-max-5-preview- 
>>>> music-patching-the-next-generation/
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