[PD] font troubles WAS Re: [PD-dev] working towards Pd-0.40.3-extended

Hans-Christoph Steiner hans at eds.org
Wed Oct 24 05:06:49 CEST 2007


I am fine with that as long as the box sizes for the default font  
face and standard font sizes are the same to the pixel on all platforms.

.hc

On Oct 23, 2007, at 10:52 PM, Miller Puckette wrote:

> I agree it would be excellent to have the font come out the same size
> on all platforms (and also that it agree at least approximately with
> the sizes of the old fonts used).  But, as a fallback, when the font
> shows up at the wrong size, I think it's better to fall back to the
> old behavior of adjustin the boxes to the text.
>
> cheers
> Miller
>
> On Tue, Oct 23, 2007 at 10:27:21PM -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner  
> wrote:
>>
>> Here's my analysis of this:
>>
>> We want to have patches be laid out the exact same on all platforms,
>> pixel-by-pixel.  This is necessary to have decent GUI layouts that
>> work.  Part of this is having the box sizes be the same.  If you can
>> get the code to use the automatic sizing, and produce boxes with the
>> same exact size on all platforms, that's fine by me.
>>
>> I personally think that having the sizes the exact same was worth
>> installing the font, and dealing with making sure the fonts are  
>> working.
>>
>> When a font doesn't work properly in an OS, like with Luke's problem,
>> that's not a problem we should try to deal with in Pd.  We should
>> help people fix that problem on their OS.
>>
>> It might be a better solution to have the box sizes fixed, then use
>> the text measuring so that the cursor goes into the right place, no
>> matter what the font situation is.
>>
>> An even nicer solution would be to have the font face, font size, and
>> box sizes saved in the patch.  Then each OS could draw it the same.
>> But then people with missing or broken fonts will still have  
>> troubles.
>>
>> .hc
>>
>> On Oct 23, 2007, at 8:25 PM, Miller Puckette wrote:
>>
>>> The following lines:
>>>
>>>        sys_fontlist[i].fi_hostfontsize =
>>>            atom_getintarg(3 * best + 2, argc, argv);
>>>        sys_fontlist[i].fi_width = atom_getintarg(3 * best + 3,
>>> argc, argv);
>>>        sys_fontlist[i].fi_height = atom_getintarg(3 * best + 4,
>>> argc, argv);
>>>
>>> are how Pd finds out the actual font size from teh Tk front end;  
>>> in Pd
>>> extended the font patch comments these lines out, so Pd assumes the
>>> font
>>> size is exactly as specified.  This leads to problems like clicking
>>> on one
>>> place and getting text selected in another.  I never understood why
>>> the
>>> lines were commented out.
>>>
>>> I'm not sure how wise it is to make a relase of Pd that depends on
>>> having
>>> a particular font installed... looks like this breaks a lot of
>>> machines.
>>>
>>> cheers
>>> Miller
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 23, 2007 at 08:01:16PM -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Yup, you don't have Bitstream Vera Sans Mono working/installed.  It
>>>> has a distinctive lower L.
>>>>
>>>> .hc
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 23, 2007, at 7:15 PM, Luke Iannini (pd) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Here's a new pic demonstrating the issue, by the way (I'll add it
>>>>> to the tracker)
>>>>> The 1px wide canvas is demonstrating where I am clicking, and the
>>>>> actual cursor is visible to show the result.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 10/23/07, Luke Iannini (pd) <lukexipd at gmail.com > wrote:
>>>>>> Sounds good to me!  I think my biggest "blocker"-level issues  
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> the extended 0.40.3 builds are the mismatched font-cursor  
>>>>>> handling
>>>>>> in object-boxes with the new fonts, and the inability to use >~/
>>>>>> mtx_*~ and so on (though I believe IOhannes may have fixed that
>>>>>> recently?).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What mismatched font cursor handling?  If there's a bug, please
>>>>> report it on the tracker. :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> I did, and apparently it was fixed : ).  Anyway, the  
>>>>> description is
>>>>> exactly the same:
>>>>> http://sourceforge.net/tracker /index.php?
>>>>> func=detail&aid=1650752&group_id=55736&atid=478070
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Can this be reopened or should I submit a new one?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>> Luke
>>>>>
>>>>> <Picture 1.png>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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