[PD] about sexy-ism

[Uğur Güney]

On 10/26/07, vade <doktorp at mac.com> wrote:
>
> Its a joke. Get over it. Comedians do it at venues of over a 1000 all the
> time. Ever hear of George Carlin, Bill Hicks, Eddy Murphy (back when he was
> funny..), etc etc.
>

# Of course we can understand that mail was a joke. But there are many kind
of jokes, good ones, bad ones etc.. And joking by its own does not justifies
the content.

Whether or not the PD list is the place for this, well, frankly, I'll agree
> it isnt, but that was my point about 3.5^10 emails ago - this thread is
> mind boggingly off topic -  but that did not stop discussion over such
> amazingly interesting topics as the etymology of sexism,  constructive
> comments about street jargon, academia and fun statistics over who applied
> and got accepted to what.
>
> Jesus fucking christ, its a joke about CONSENSUAL SEX USING PD OBJECTS AS
> A METAPHOR. OH NO. OH DEAR GOD OH MENSTRUATION. OH YUCK BOO HOO.
>

# Thanks for the clarification. Capital letters revealed the true irony
obscured by the complicated metaphor.

No one notices Hard off also making fun of himself there. Ah, so typically
> one sided.
>
> Look.
> We are all humans.
> Some of us have vaginas, others penises. (hell some even have both)
> Some of us use PD and/or other Dataflow languages.
> Can we PLEASE GET OVER IT ALREADY?
>
> That email was more a comment on the lunacy of the aforementioned thread
> as well as some of you over intellectualizing every goddamn last minutiae of
> the topic - rather than an actual genuine heartfelt AFFRONT TO ALL OF
> WOMANKIND.
>
> Perhaps if you took of your lab coat, removed the various PHDs from behind
> your desk, and any other assorted academic paraphernalia that may be laying
> about* - including the self righteousness - you might see that last email as
> an attempt to cut through the bullshit of this topic. Im sorry I have to
> spell it out for you.
>

# Underestimating the academia and intellectual work is being proud of the
ignorance. I think, calling the previous emails about "such amazingly
interesting topics" in this thread "lunacy" and your justification of the
"joke" is worse than the joke itself.
# Being sensitive and thinking hard about whether the relative smallness of
the female population is due to some inherent issues that we are not aware
of and taking responsability is not something one can make mockery. This
subject is not off topic but a part of computer music and pd community. And
mocking about what people take serious will not be met with joy.
-uğur-

*I am well aware that you and others may literally have said items behind
> your potentially non existing desk, however, I hope you can all grok the
> metaphor - somehow I feel ill be disappointed yet again...
>
> The bottom line is, if PD is going to be used by Artists, prepare to be
> offended.
>
> On Oct 26, 2007, at 2:20 PM, Alexandre Castonguay wrote:
>
> I think the post and this attitude has no place on this list. The use of
> objects is smart but it doesn't excuse the moronic and offensive nature of
> the post.  What makes you think that your freedom of speech should come at
> the expense of women feeling violated and insulted?  I wonder if you would
> state something like that before a crowd of 1000.  I feel disgusted.
>
> Alexandre
>
>
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