[PD] About editing pdpedia

Hans-Christoph Steiner hans at eds.org
Thu Nov 29 15:55:53 CET 2007


On Nov 29, 2007, at 12:24 AM, PSPunch wrote:

>
> Hans,
>
>
>> The lists are built automatically by mediawiki from every page  
>> that has
>> [[Category:objectclass]] and [[Category:vanilla]] in it.
>
> In this case, 'Category' and 'Object class' is replaced by the  
> localized
> term defined in the template.. I see the links in the Spanish page
> functioning properly in this manner.
>
> Combinations I've tried so far do not seem to work.
>
> Am I the only one dealing with multi byte characters at this
> site so far?
> I am beginning to have a bad feeling about their behavior.

Yeah, you are the first working with multi-byte characters.  The  
Chinese and Japanese wikipedia sites are pretty large, so I think  
that multi-byte characters should work fine.  I don't think any of us  
are experts in MediaWiki, the software used for Pdpedia.  You might  
try a mediawiki forum.

.hc


>
>
> --
> David Shimamoto
>
>
>>
>> .hc
>>
>> On Nov 28, 2007, at 12:12 PM, PSPunch wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hans,
>>>
>>>
>>> Ok, I figure only the page names are copied.
>>>
>>> One last question if before I start adding text..
>>>
>>> I don't quite understand the mechanism behind pages such as,
>>>
>>> http://wiki.puredata.info/en/Category:objectclass
>>> http://wiki.puredata.info/en/Category:vanilla
>>>
>>> Can you please tell me where the list of objects come from?
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> David Shimamoto
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Looks like you got the Infobox working now.  As for the English  
>>>> content,
>>>> none of the previous people wanted to have the English content  
>>>> in their
>>>> template import, so I didn't include it.  It's all available by  
>>>> clicking
>>>> the "English" link on the lower left of each page.
>>>>
>>>> .hc
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 28, 2007, at 3:15 AM, PSPunch wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hans,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>> I am terribly sorry to bother you with this.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> To my eyes, the following two pages look almost identical.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://wiki.puredata.info/en/MediaWiki:Common.css
>>>>> http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/MediaWiki:Common.css
>>>>>
>>>>> http://wiki.puredata.info/en/Template:Infobox_Objectclass
>>>>> http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/Template:Infobox_Objectclass
>>>>>
>>>>> ---
>>>>> After you've kindly executed the import, I was imagining
>>>>> that for example,
>>>>>
>>>>> http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/line
>>>>> would be filled with English contents identical to
>>>>>
>>>>> http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/line
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Unless I've done something wrong, I am imagining I've
>>>>> translated terms I shouldn't have in the original template.
>>>>> Say, for example, is 'Category:' parsed exceptionally for
>>>>> specific actions? Then it shouldn't have been replaced
>>>>> with multi byte characters of my language.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any ideas?
>>>>>
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> David Shimamoto
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Nov 27, 2007, at 12:03 AM, PSPunch wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hans,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ok, it's running, it'll take an hour or two.  You can see the
>>>>>>>> pages as
>>>>>>>> they are imported:
>>>>>>>> http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/minimum
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for the effort!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, I see the log increasing as a reload the "recent  
>>>>>>> changes" page.
>>>>>>> Is it just me or is it general to get excited watching
>>>>>>> massive data being crunched right in front of your very eyes?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Some pages I opened were just blank.
>>>>>>> I wonder if this is because the original English page
>>>>>>> is also blank... any way I will wait for the processing to end.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There shouldn't be blank pages, but they will just be templates
>>>>>> with the
>>>>>> infobox and the categories setup.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Next, you need to add the CSS and Infobox template then the  
>>>>>>>> infobox
>>>>>>>> stuff will show up.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I feel I've already done this following the "admin HOW-TO".
>>>>>>> If it gets over written, I guess I can just try again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think it's still missing the CSS, that should be listed on the
>>>>>> HOWTO.
>>>>>> That's why the Infobox isn't showing up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> .hc
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> doh itashimashite  (that's one of my favorite words in  
>>>>>>>> japanese :D )
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, domo-arigato-gozaimas!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> .hc
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Nov 24, 2007, at 8:30 PM, PSPunch wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hans,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Most of the main page is taken from the documents kindly  
>>>>>>>>> prepared
>>>>>>>>> by Tetsuya Saito. The objectclass template page mainly has  
>>>>>>>>> terms
>>>>>>>>> unified with the main page. So for that part I feel  
>>>>>>>>> comfortable to
>>>>>>>>> proceed.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'd appreciate it if you can execute the import.
>>>>>>>>> Thanks. :)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>>> David Shimamoto
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I can execute the import whenever you're ready.  Maybe it  
>>>>>>>>>> would be
>>>>>>>>>> good
>>>>>>>>>> to have one more Japanese speaker look at the template?  It's
>>>>>>>>>> up to
>>>>>>>>>> you.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> .hc
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 19, 2007, at 9:57 PM, PSPunch wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hans,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>> I've followed the procedure in the English 'Admin howtos'  
>>>>>>>>>>> pages.
>>>>>>>>>>> I would appreciate it if you could try executing the import.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>>>>> David Shimamoto
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 19, 2007, at 2:20 AM, PSPunch wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi list,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have some questions for some of you working on pdpedia.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> =======
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Has there already been discussions on policies regarding
>>>>>>>>>>>>> when/which
>>>>>>>>>>>>> pages to lock?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am assuming that leaving everything unlocked is the  
>>>>>>>>>>>>> way to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> go if
>>>>>>>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the world were an ideal place. Are there not yet MediaWiki
>>>>>>>>>>>>> spammers?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Locking pages is basically for when people are fighting  
>>>>>>>>>>>> over a
>>>>>>>>>>>> page.  I
>>>>>>>>>>>> can't imagine that anything is so divisive in Pd that we'd
>>>>>>>>>>>> need to
>>>>>>>>>>>> lock
>>>>>>>>>>>> pages.  So far, we haven't had any spam yet.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> =======
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regarding importing data from other languages..
>>>>>>>>>>>>> For some basic pages, I have gotten away with the  
>>>>>>>>>>>>> following
>>>>>>>>>>>>> procedure.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I. Open the pdpedia page in English.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> II. Enter "edit" mode and [copy] the contents in the form
>>>>>>>>>>>>> III. Create an equivalent page in my language and  
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [paste] the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> material
>>>>>>>>>>>>> above.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> IV. Use above as a starting point to begin translation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The above does not work for pages such as  
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Category:vanilla'.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't quite understand how that content is embedded  
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> page.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can some one help me on importing the list of objects?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've noticed that people working on the Spanish and  
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Portuguese
>>>>>>>>>>>>> pages
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have been successful in this.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Once that translated template that you posted is ready  
>>>>>>>>>>>> to go,
>>>>>>>>>>>> then
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll
>>>>>>>>>>>> run the import.  That will generate template pages for  
>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2000
>>>>>>>>>>>> objectclasses.  Then it's a matter of plugging in  
>>>>>>>>>>>> content, which
>>>>>>>>>>>> can be
>>>>>>>>>>>> gathered from pages in other languages, help patches, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> .hc
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> David Shimamoto
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Looking at things from a more basic level, you can come up
>>>>>>>>>>>> with a
>>>>>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>>>>> direct solution... It may sound small in theory, but it in
>>>>>>>>>>>> practice, it
>>>>>>>>>>>> can change entire economies.     - Amy Smith
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>> one
>>>>>> chapter is not torn out of the book, but translated into a better
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