[PD] About editing pdpedia

Hans-Christoph Steiner hans at eds.org
Fri Nov 30 21:20:31 CET 2007 

You can add a redirect page for that translation, instead of changing  
every page.  basically create a new page [[XXXXXX:vanilla]] and then  
add this text to that page:

#redirect [[Category:vanilla]]

.hc

On Nov 29, 2007, at 11:32 PM, PSPunch wrote:

>
> Hans,
>
>
> Problem solved.
>
> When the pages were imported from the original
> English page, the line
> [[Category:vanilla]]
>
> in all pages were replaced with
> [[XXXXXX:vanilla]]
>
> where XXXXXX is the translated term for 'Category'.
>
> This should have remained untranslated for MediaWiki
> to parse properly and add that page to the category it
> claimed to belong to.
>
>
> Thanks for all the help though.
> Now I feel comfortable to start seeking volunteers to start
> working on pages :)
>
> --
> David Shimamoto
>
>
>> On Nov 29, 2007, at 12:24 AM, PSPunch wrote:
>>> Hans,
>>>
>>>
>>>> The lists are built automatically by mediawiki from every page  
>>>> that has
>>>> [[Category:objectclass]] and [[Category:vanilla]] in it.
>>>
>>> In this case, 'Category' and 'Object class' is replaced by the  
>>> localized
>>> term defined in the template.. I see the links in the Spanish page
>>> functioning properly in this manner.
>>>
>>> Combinations I've tried so far do not seem to work.
>>>
>>> Am I the only one dealing with multi byte characters at this
>>> site so far?
>>> I am beginning to have a bad feeling about their behavior.
>>
>> Yeah, you are the first working with multi-byte characters.  The  
>> Chinese
>> and Japanese wikipedia sites are pretty large, so I think that
>> multi-byte characters should work fine.  I don't think any of us are
>> experts in MediaWiki, the software used for Pdpedia.  You might try a
>> mediawiki forum.
>>
>> .hc
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> David Shimamoto
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> .hc
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 28, 2007, at 12:12 PM, PSPunch wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hans,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ok, I figure only the page names are copied.
>>>>>
>>>>> One last question if before I start adding text..
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't quite understand the mechanism behind pages such as,
>>>>>
>>>>> http://wiki.puredata.info/en/Category:objectclass
>>>>> http://wiki.puredata.info/en/Category:vanilla
>>>>>
>>>>> Can you please tell me where the list of objects come from?
>>>>>
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> David Shimamoto
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Looks like you got the Infobox working now.  As for the English
>>>>>> content,
>>>>>> none of the previous people wanted to have the English content in
>>>>>> their
>>>>>> template import, so I didn't include it.  It's all available by
>>>>>> clicking
>>>>>> the "English" link on the lower left of each page.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> .hc
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Nov 28, 2007, at 3:15 AM, PSPunch wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hans,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>> I am terribly sorry to bother you with this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To my eyes, the following two pages look almost identical.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://wiki.puredata.info/en/MediaWiki:Common.css
>>>>>>> http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/MediaWiki:Common.css
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://wiki.puredata.info/en/Template:Infobox_Objectclass
>>>>>>> http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/Template:Infobox_Objectclass
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>> After you've kindly executed the import, I was imagining
>>>>>>> that for example,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/line
>>>>>>> would be filled with English contents identical to
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/line
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Unless I've done something wrong, I am imagining I've
>>>>>>> translated terms I shouldn't have in the original template.
>>>>>>> Say, for example, is 'Category:' parsed exceptionally for
>>>>>>> specific actions? Then it shouldn't have been replaced
>>>>>>> with multi byte characters of my language.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Any ideas?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>> David Shimamoto
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Nov 27, 2007, at 12:03 AM, PSPunch wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hans,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ok, it's running, it'll take an hour or two.  You can see the
>>>>>>>>>> pages as
>>>>>>>>>> they are imported:
>>>>>>>>>> http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/minimum
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the effort!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes, I see the log increasing as a reload the "recent changes"
>>>>>>>>> page.
>>>>>>>>> Is it just me or is it general to get excited watching
>>>>>>>>> massive data being crunched right in front of your very eyes?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Some pages I opened were just blank.
>>>>>>>>> I wonder if this is because the original English page
>>>>>>>>> is also blank... any way I will wait for the processing to  
>>>>>>>>> end.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There shouldn't be blank pages, but they will just be templates
>>>>>>>> with the
>>>>>>>> infobox and the categories setup.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Next, you need to add the CSS and Infobox template then the
>>>>>>>>>> infobox
>>>>>>>>>> stuff will show up.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I feel I've already done this following the "admin HOW-TO".
>>>>>>>>> If it gets over written, I guess I can just try again.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think it's still missing the CSS, that should be listed on  
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> HOWTO.
>>>>>>>> That's why the Infobox isn't showing up.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> .hc
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> doh itashimashite  (that's one of my favorite words in  
>>>>>>>>>> japanese
>>>>>>>>>> :D )
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes, domo-arigato-gozaimas!!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> .hc
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 24, 2007, at 8:30 PM, PSPunch wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hans,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Most of the main page is taken from the documents kindly  
>>>>>>>>>>> prepared
>>>>>>>>>>> by Tetsuya Saito. The objectclass template page mainly  
>>>>>>>>>>> has terms
>>>>>>>>>>> unified with the main page. So for that part I feel
>>>>>>>>>>> comfortable to
>>>>>>>>>>> proceed.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'd appreciate it if you can execute the import.
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks. :)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>>>>> David Shimamoto
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I can execute the import whenever you're ready.  Maybe it
>>>>>>>>>>>> would be
>>>>>>>>>>>> good
>>>>>>>>>>>> to have one more Japanese speaker look at the template?   
>>>>>>>>>>>> It's
>>>>>>>>>>>> up to
>>>>>>>>>>>> you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> .hc
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 19, 2007, at 9:57 PM, PSPunch wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hans,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've followed the procedure in the English 'Admin howtos'
>>>>>>>>>>>>> pages.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would appreciate it if you could try executing the  
>>>>>>>>>>>>> import.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> David Shimamoto
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 19, 2007, at 2:20 AM, PSPunch wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi list,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have some questions for some of you working on  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pdpedia.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =======
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Has there already been discussions on policies regarding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when/which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pages to lock?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am assuming that leaving everything unlocked is the  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> go if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the world were an ideal place. Are there not yet  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MediaWiki
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spammers?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Locking pages is basically for when people are  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fighting over a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> page.  I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't imagine that anything is so divisive in Pd that  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we'd
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lock
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pages.  So far, we haven't had any spam yet.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =======
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regarding importing data from other languages..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For some basic pages, I have gotten away with the  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> following
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> procedure.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I. Open the pdpedia page in English.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> II. Enter "edit" mode and [copy] the contents in the  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> form
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> III. Create an equivalent page in my language and  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [paste] the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> material
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> above.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IV. Use above as a starting point to begin translation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The above does not work for pages such as  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Category:vanilla'.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't quite understand how that content is embedded  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> page.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can some one help me on importing the list of objects?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've noticed that people working on the Spanish and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Portuguese
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pages
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have been successful in this.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Once that translated template that you posted is ready  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to go,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> run the import.  That will generate template pages for  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2000
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> objectclasses.  Then it's a matter of plugging in  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> content,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gathered from pages in other languages, help patches,  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .hc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David Shimamoto
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Looking at things from a more basic level, you can  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> come up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> direct solution... It may sound small in theory, but  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> practice, it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can change entire economies.     - Amy Smith
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The arc of history bends towards justice.     - Dr. Martin
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>>>>>>>>>>>> King, Jr.
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>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> News is what people want to keep hidden and everything  
>>>>>>>>>> else is
>>>>>>>>>> publicity.          - Bill Moyers
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All mankind is of one author, and is one volume; when one  
>>>>>>>> man dies,
>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>> chapter is not torn out of the book, but translated into a  
>>>>>>>> better
>>>>>>>> language; and every chapter must be so translated.... -John  
>>>>>>>> Donne
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have the audacity to believe that peoples everywhere can  
>>>>>> have three
>>>>>> meals a day for their bodies, education and culture for their
>>>>>> minds, and
>>>>>> dignity, equality and freedom for their spirits.      - Martin  
>>>>>> Luther
>>>>>> King, Jr.
>>>>>>
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>> If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of
>> exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an
>> idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he  
>> keeps it
>> to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the
>> possession of everyone, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of
>> it.            - Thomas Jefferson
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