[PD] About editing pdpedia
Olivier Heinry
olivier.heinry at manga-burgah.net
Fri Nov 30 23:00:55 CET 2007
Le vendredi 30 novembre 2007 à 15:20 -0500, Hans-Christoph Steiner a
écrit :
> You can add a redirect page for that translation, instead of changing
> every page. basically create a new page [[XXXXXX:vanilla]] and then
> add this text to that page:
>
> #redirect [[Category:vanilla]]
I have worked a bit a page about wiki shortcuts and such in French at
http://wiki.puredata.info/fr/Aide:Contents but still havent foudn the
time to reflect the changes into
http://wiki.puredata.info/en/Help:Contents
I guess the latter shoudl be translated first in general when you start
a new language version
my 2 two thunes
O.
>
> .hc
>
> On Nov 29, 2007, at 11:32 PM, PSPunch wrote:
>
> >
> > Hans,
> >
> >
> > Problem solved.
> >
> > When the pages were imported from the original
> > English page, the line
> > [[Category:vanilla]]
> >
> > in all pages were replaced with
> > [[XXXXXX:vanilla]]
> >
> > where XXXXXX is the translated term for 'Category'.
> >
> > This should have remained untranslated for MediaWiki
> > to parse properly and add that page to the category it
> > claimed to belong to.
> >
> >
> > Thanks for all the help though.
> > Now I feel comfortable to start seeking volunteers to start
> > working on pages :)
> >
> > --
> > David Shimamoto
> >
> >
> >> On Nov 29, 2007, at 12:24 AM, PSPunch wrote:
> >>> Hans,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> The lists are built automatically by mediawiki from every page
> >>>> that has
> >>>> [[Category:objectclass]] and [[Category:vanilla]] in it.
> >>>
> >>> In this case, 'Category' and 'Object class' is replaced by the
> >>> localized
> >>> term defined in the template.. I see the links in the Spanish page
> >>> functioning properly in this manner.
> >>>
> >>> Combinations I've tried so far do not seem to work.
> >>>
> >>> Am I the only one dealing with multi byte characters at this
> >>> site so far?
> >>> I am beginning to have a bad feeling about their behavior.
> >>
> >> Yeah, you are the first working with multi-byte characters. The
> >> Chinese
> >> and Japanese wikipedia sites are pretty large, so I think that
> >> multi-byte characters should work fine. I don't think any of us are
> >> experts in MediaWiki, the software used for Pdpedia. You might try a
> >> mediawiki forum.
> >>
> >> .hc
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> David Shimamoto
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> .hc
> >>>>
> >>>> On Nov 28, 2007, at 12:12 PM, PSPunch wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hans,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Ok, I figure only the page names are copied.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> One last question if before I start adding text..
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I don't quite understand the mechanism behind pages such as,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://wiki.puredata.info/en/Category:objectclass
> >>>>> http://wiki.puredata.info/en/Category:vanilla
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Can you please tell me where the list of objects come from?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> David Shimamoto
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Looks like you got the Infobox working now. As for the English
> >>>>>> content,
> >>>>>> none of the previous people wanted to have the English content in
> >>>>>> their
> >>>>>> template import, so I didn't include it. It's all available by
> >>>>>> clicking
> >>>>>> the "English" link on the lower left of each page.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> .hc
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Nov 28, 2007, at 3:15 AM, PSPunch wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hans,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Thanks.
> >>>>>>> I am terribly sorry to bother you with this.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> To my eyes, the following two pages look almost identical.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> http://wiki.puredata.info/en/MediaWiki:Common.css
> >>>>>>> http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/MediaWiki:Common.css
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> http://wiki.puredata.info/en/Template:Infobox_Objectclass
> >>>>>>> http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/Template:Infobox_Objectclass
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ---
> >>>>>>> After you've kindly executed the import, I was imagining
> >>>>>>> that for example,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/line
> >>>>>>> would be filled with English contents identical to
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/line
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Unless I've done something wrong, I am imagining I've
> >>>>>>> translated terms I shouldn't have in the original template.
> >>>>>>> Say, for example, is 'Category:' parsed exceptionally for
> >>>>>>> specific actions? Then it shouldn't have been replaced
> >>>>>>> with multi byte characters of my language.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Any ideas?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>> David Shimamoto
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Nov 27, 2007, at 12:03 AM, PSPunch wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Hans,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Ok, it's running, it'll take an hour or two. You can see the
> >>>>>>>>>> pages as
> >>>>>>>>>> they are imported:
> >>>>>>>>>> http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/minimum
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Thanks for the effort!
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Yes, I see the log increasing as a reload the "recent changes"
> >>>>>>>>> page.
> >>>>>>>>> Is it just me or is it general to get excited watching
> >>>>>>>>> massive data being crunched right in front of your very eyes?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Some pages I opened were just blank.
> >>>>>>>>> I wonder if this is because the original English page
> >>>>>>>>> is also blank... any way I will wait for the processing to
> >>>>>>>>> end.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> There shouldn't be blank pages, but they will just be templates
> >>>>>>>> with the
> >>>>>>>> infobox and the categories setup.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Next, you need to add the CSS and Infobox template then the
> >>>>>>>>>> infobox
> >>>>>>>>>> stuff will show up.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I feel I've already done this following the "admin HOW-TO".
> >>>>>>>>> If it gets over written, I guess I can just try again.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I think it's still missing the CSS, that should be listed on
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> HOWTO.
> >>>>>>>> That's why the Infobox isn't showing up.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> .hc
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> doh itashimashite (that's one of my favorite words in
> >>>>>>>>>> japanese
> >>>>>>>>>> :D )
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Yes, domo-arigato-gozaimas!!
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> .hc
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Nov 24, 2007, at 8:30 PM, PSPunch wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Hans,
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Most of the main page is taken from the documents kindly
> >>>>>>>>>>> prepared
> >>>>>>>>>>> by Tetsuya Saito. The objectclass template page mainly
> >>>>>>>>>>> has terms
> >>>>>>>>>>> unified with the main page. So for that part I feel
> >>>>>>>>>>> comfortable to
> >>>>>>>>>>> proceed.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> I'd appreciate it if you can execute the import.
> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks. :)
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>> David Shimamoto
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I can execute the import whenever you're ready. Maybe it
> >>>>>>>>>>>> would be
> >>>>>>>>>>>> good
> >>>>>>>>>>>> to have one more Japanese speaker look at the template?
> >>>>>>>>>>>> It's
> >>>>>>>>>>>> up to
> >>>>>>>>>>>> you.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> .hc
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 19, 2007, at 9:57 PM, PSPunch wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hans,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I've followed the procedure in the English 'Admin howtos'
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> pages.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I would appreciate it if you could try executing the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> import.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> David Shimamoto
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 19, 2007, at 2:20 AM, PSPunch wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi list,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have some questions for some of you working on
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pdpedia.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =======
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Has there already been discussions on policies regarding
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when/which
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pages to lock?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am assuming that leaving everything unlocked is the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> go if
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the world were an ideal place. Are there not yet
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MediaWiki
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spammers?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Locking pages is basically for when people are
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> fighting over a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> page. I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't imagine that anything is so divisive in Pd that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> we'd
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> need to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> lock
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> pages. So far, we haven't had any spam yet.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =======
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regarding importing data from other languages..
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For some basic pages, I have gotten away with the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> following
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> procedure.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I. Open the pdpedia page in English.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> II. Enter "edit" mode and [copy] the contents in the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> form
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> III. Create an equivalent page in my language and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [paste] the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> material
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> above.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IV. Use above as a starting point to begin translation.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The above does not work for pages such as
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Category:vanilla'.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't quite understand how that content is embedded
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> page.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can some one help me on importing the list of objects?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've noticed that people working on the Spanish and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Portuguese
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pages
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have been successful in this.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Once that translated template that you posted is ready
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to go,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> then
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> run the import. That will generate template pages for
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> about
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2000
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> objectclasses. Then it's a matter of plugging in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> content,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> which
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> can be
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> gathered from pages in other languages, help patches,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> .hc
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David Shimamoto
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -------------------
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Looking at things from a more basic level, you can
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> come up
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> with a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> more
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> direct solution... It may sound small in theory, but
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> practice, it
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> can change entire economies. - Amy Smith
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>>>>> -----------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>>>>>>> -----------------
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> The arc of history bends towards justice. - Dr. Martin
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Luther
> >>>>>>>>>>>> King, Jr.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>>>>> ---------------
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> News is what people want to keep hidden and everything
> >>>>>>>>>> else is
> >>>>>>>>>> publicity. - Bill Moyers
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>>> -------------
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> All mankind is of one author, and is one volume; when one
> >>>>>>>> man dies,
> >>>>>>>> one
> >>>>>>>> chapter is not torn out of the book, but translated into a
> >>>>>>>> better
> >>>>>>>> language; and every chapter must be so translated.... -John
> >>>>>>>> Donne
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------
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> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I have the audacity to believe that peoples everywhere can
> >>>>>> have three
> >>>>>> meals a day for their bodies, education and culture for their
> >>>>>> minds, and
> >>>>>> dignity, equality and freedom for their spirits. - Martin
> >>>>>> Luther
> >>>>>> King, Jr.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
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> >>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------
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> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
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> >>
> >>
> >> If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of
> >> exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an
> >> idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he
> >> keeps it
> >> to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the
> >> possession of everyone, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of
> >> it. - Thomas Jefferson
> >>
> >>
> >>
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