[PD] select issues

Hans-Christoph Steiner hans at eds.org
Mon Dec 3 01:30:33 CET 2007

On Dec 1, 2007, at 9:26 PM, Chris McCormick wrote:

> On Fri, Nov 30, 2007 at 03:02:21PM -0500, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
>> On Fri, 30 Nov 2007, Chris McCormick wrote:
>>> Which has bitten me on the ass at least once when making music with
>>> someone who uses pd-extended. Hans, I wonder if you could make it  
>>> clear
>>> to people who download pd-extended that it is incompatible with Pd,
>> Yes, why is Pd still incompatible with Pd-extended?
> Miller is more conservative about making changes to Pd source than  
> Hans
> is.

AFAIK, Pd and Pd-extended incompatible.  Plus submit a bug if it is.   
There will be incompatibilites across versions, just like pd-vanilla  
0.40 to pd-vanilla 0.39.


>>> it is bundled with many externals which aren't in Pd by default?
>> I thought that this is why people download pd-extended in the  
>> first place?
>> How can they not know?
> It's easy for them to not know. Not every artist or user in the world
> understands the nuances of Pd source code polititcs. My one data point
> is my friend who had no idea that there was any other Pd than
> pd-extended.
>>> Note that I really appreciate all the work you are doing to make
>>> people's lives easier, and don't want to put a dent in your  
>>> efforts. I
>>> just think if we're not careful with breaking compatability  
>>> people are
>>> going to get very confused very quickly.
>> Any added feature, any added external is broken compatibility when it
>> comes to new patches using new features that you try to run in a  
>> previous
>> version. It's not even possible to be careful about it without  
>> standing
>> still. What do you want?
> What I want is to be able to work with other Pd users safe in the
> knowledge that I can recommend pd-extended to them and that my patches
> and abstractions will work on Pd as well as pd-extended.
> Maybe that's a completely unrealistic dream and we must accept that
> my patches written for Pd will not always work for them (or will look
> different etc.). In that case I'd like it to be made clear to users
> downloading pd-extended exactly what the differences are between that
> and Pd so they know what they are getting into.
> Best,
> Chris.
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