[PD] segmented patchcords (was Re: PD & MAX)

Max Neupert abonnements at revolwear.com
Thu Dec 6 20:35:29 CET 2007

i read your mail as a pledge for a bounty system - is that right?

Am 06.12.2007 um 20:08 schrieb Kyle Klipowicz:

> And this is precisely the unfortunate reason why the open source world
> will (almost) always lag behind the commercial world of consumer
> software. When developers make their bread and butter based upon if
> the consumer buys, they're more likely to pay attention to and
> implement the wishes of their users. Take Ableton. They actively parse
> their online forums for feature requests...and then implement them
> when a critical mass is reached.
> There are some exceptions in the FOSS world. Ubuntu is quite user
> friendly (with the support of a large endowment from a very wealthy
> organization with a charter specifically devoted to bringing Linux to
> the non-programmer set of the world). Firefox is giving IE a run for
> it's money (although the primary codebase from FF comes from the old
> commercial, closed source Netscape).
> I know that Hans' statement re everyone becoming a developer is true
> in theory, but in reality people who want to rapidly prototype a
> project with something like Pd or Max are using these applications
> precisely because they do not want to code in C.
> After reading Marius' post re GEM vs. Jitter, it is painfully apparent
> that the capitalist/consumer model of software engineering has a few
> aspects to it that are difficult for the FOSS community to compete
> with. Namely monetary and human resources and the external pressure to
> meet the requests of the user in order to ensure a continuous flow of
> financial support. When you code for a hobby or yourself, it is
> difficult or even impossible to be bothered with these things, and
> rightly so. Without compensation, there's often little scope (or time)
> outside one's own projects for developers in the FOSS world. This is
> unfortunate, but as I see it, true.
> Question is, what can be done to change this or compete? Or should Pd
> just become the thing that hobbyist programmers use, while Max takes
> the stage as the "serious" tool for rapidly prototyping interactive
> A/V artworks? I hope that this is not the case...
> No flames meant in this mail, just compassionate thought-mulling.
> ~Kyle
> On Dec 6, 2007 1:21 AM, Frank Barknecht <fbar at footils.org> wrote:
>> That's exactly the point: From this thread it seems that many of  
>> those
>> people who would be able to implement segmented patchcords aren't
>> interested in that feature. (You'd be one of the exceptions.) So  
>> until
>> someone comes along who wants seg-cords in Pd and at the same time
>> could write the code, the feature stays missing. That's not unusual
>> wiht open source software: features, the developers need, get
>> implemented faster, others maybe never.
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