[PD] newbie questions(ableton)

[Kyle Klipowicz]

Sigh...I don't even want to get into this. Live/Pd integration is a
big PITA right now, so I don't even mess w/ it right now.

It makes me sad, but I can't afford the $850 for Max/MSP/Jitter, which
works pretty well for a lot of people with Live (Live costs money too,
but I bought it a long time ago and it's worth it).

Basically, I can choose to either have a stable realtime DAW that can
also do much of the live improv stuff that I need for performance...or
I can try really buggy unstable ideas without a very dedicated
framework.

Also, the sheer slowdown that Pd experiences on OSX is bad, especially
when running Pd with other programs simultaneously. Wrangling with the
feedback loops and routing is also a big pain. Icky! So right now it's
either professional slickness and ease-of-use of Ableton Live, or back
to the trial and error and endless tinkering with Pd that eerily
reminds me of some trying to use Debian in 2000 (couldn't even get X11
configured properly for my video card after like 80 hours).

It makes me seriously think about trying an approach using my 10-in
10-out interface to connect a linux machine directly into my Live
environment, and use MIDI signals to communicate across the machines.

At least the Linux end of Pd is top notch...too bad I have to echo
Roman on the point that proprietary tools are still pretty necessary
to have a workflow ease that approaches professional practice. I'm
still hoping, but not expecting results like netscape -> firefox for
another 10 years. Maybe MOTU will go under and open-source DP.

I know, I'm a complainer. I'd rather play my guitar than cut it from a tree etc.

~Kyle

On Wed, Feb 13, 2008 at 8:43 AM, David Plans Casal
<dataflow at davidcasal.com> wrote:
>
>  On 13 Feb 2008, at 13:48, Derek Holzer wrote:
>
>  > Latest version of Ableton (Live 7)doesn't seem to work with JackOSX.
>  > Too
>  > bad. I used this method for a while with Live 5 and it worked fine.
>
>  I just tried Live 7 taking channels from Soundflower and sending to
>  Soundflower from PD, and that works fine.
>
>  http://www.cycling74.com/products/soundflower
>
>  d
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