[PD] Pd sounds better than Max?

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On Mar 7, 2008, at 9:14 PM, marius schebella wrote:

> Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>> On Mar 7, 2008, at 7:33 PM, marius schebella wrote:
>>> Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think it is unlikely that there is a noticeable difference in   
>>>> double-blind testing.  I am sure that people hear differences  
>>>> between  them, but I am guessing that those differences are  
>>>> inside the brain,  rather than outside :).
>>>
>>> yes, that seems obvious to me too, but this discussion is about  
>>> the small chance, that there might be a difference in some small  
>>> details that effectively make a difference..
>>>
>>>> Also, consider that MSP started from Pd code.
>>>
>>> I thought pd came out later (1997) and was completely rewritten  
>>> with fundamental differences (esp. when it comes to fft and stuff  
>>> like that).
>> Max didn't have MSP until Pd came along, it was all about  
>> manipulating MIDI.  Check out the copyright splash screen, it says  
>> "portions based on Pd 1997-2005".
>
> no, it says Pd and MSP are based on ideas in Max/FTS, an advanced  
> DSP platform (C) IRCAM.

Look at the line above that one.  Max/FTS did have synthesis, but it  
was on a separate DSP CPU.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max/MSP

"Max has a number of extensions and incarnations; most notably, a set  
of audio extensions to the software appeared in 1997, ported from  
Pure Data. Called MSP (short for either Max Signal Processing or the  
initials of Miller S. Puckette, the author of both Max and Pd), this  
"add-on" package for Max allowed for the manipulation of digital  
audio signals in real-time"

.hc

>
> I learned in school (but that was loooong ago in 1997) that miller  
> wrote max and max/fts at IRCAM in the mid 80s, max already had  
> signal processing in 1990. then he jumped off, david zicarelli  
> sticked with the existing code and developed msp and miller rewrote  
> pd from scratch in 1996/97.
>
> I think max/msp took also code from pd, but that was later.
> marius.



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