[PD] Cyclone in vanilla?

marius schebella marius.schebella at gmail.com
Fri Apr 25 15:33:09 CEST 2008

you are right that the importer would probably use pd's internal pow~, 
but from my own experience I can only say max and pd are becoming less 
and less compatible, I ported a lot of patches and also big patches, I 
always did this by hand, because there are too many things that can go 
wrong. with max 5 I am not sure, if it is still possible to export the 
patches text files at all? but there are mor tricky differences, and I 
don't think cyclone did take care of them (see below), so why hold up 
the flag for a feature that is not really used by anyone and does not 
work reliably anyway. (although I agree with you and think it would 
still be a good idea to rewrite this part of the importer)
other max/puredata differences
in max messages save their last values, so you can retrigger them by a 
bang, in pd not.
trigger behaves different with number arguments. in max the number will 
be consistent, in pd it is a placeholder for float(and gets replaced by 
another number).
in max there is this right to left order of execution for objects that 
are connected without trigger that does not exist in pd.
some other things rather apply when you try to expor pd patches.
unpack does not work for symbols in max.
pd has no integers. a [+] in pd will work for floats and integers, but 
when you port it to max, it will default to integers. (the same with a 
lot of other objects, like line...)
select does not output a list on its right outlet in max.
all the best,

Frank Barknecht wrote:
> Hallo,
> marius schebella hat gesagt: // marius schebella wrote:
>> honestly, I think not many people used it...
>> I ran
>> grep -R " pow~" *
>> in my pd-directories and found only two patches (of 10000+) besides the 
>> helppatch for pow~, that use it. nusmuk for distortion.pd, tb for 
>> sigmoid_booster~.pd
>> I don't know other big collections like net-pd (I think I just checked 
>> pdmtl). and maybe "official" tutorial patches floating around.
>> anyway, I can only speak for myself, and I would like to see "pow~" with 
>> a new behaviour.
> This would break or make necessary an update to Cyclone's Max importer:
> Cyclone's goal always was to make Pd a bit mor Max compatible, and many
> Max patches use pow~.
> Ciao

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