[PD] UI developer volunteering to help

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Wow, what an improvement!  I like it a lot.  I have some comments:

- minor thing, maybe there could be less space on the sides, so the  
panel would be narrower?

- about the Apply button, I think it should only show up on platforms  
where it is a common thing.  On Mac OS X, it should just be OK and  
Cancel.  On Windows, there should be Apply.  I think GNOME has moved  
away from Apply, but I don't know anything about KDE.

- some separation of the buttons on the right column would make  
things clearer, I think.  Like maybe Up/Down on the right side, and  
then Add..., Edit..., and Delete on the bottom?  Or maybe just  
changing Up and Down to arrows?

- the startup thing is trickier.  I think that the textfield for  
entering values should be embedded into the panel instead of a  
popup.  Also, it doesn't seem to work for me (I am using 0.41-4  
vanilla).  I can't add items to the list.

I think once this is worked out, the best plan would be to submit a  
patch to the tracker and assign it to Miller.  Then I'll also include  
it in Pd-extended.

.hc

On May 11, 2008, at 2:25 AM, David Golightly wrote:

> Just verified against my own install of Pd-extended-0.40.3 on OS X  
> 10.4 - enough differences exist otherwise in the nightlies that  
> this version of the file will only work with 0.41.4.
>
> Attached is an updated (slightly bugfixed) version.
>
> So... what's the procedure for checking in to svn :)?
>
> -David
>
>
> On Sat, May 10, 2008 at 4:24 PM, David Golightly  
> <davigoli at gmail.com> wrote:
> Well scratch that then, perhaps that will only work when you're  
> building pd on your own machine.  If you launch Pd from Terminal,  
> you might see error output in that terminal window - that would be  
> helpful to have.
>
>
> On Sat, May 10, 2008 at 3:17 PM, marius schebella  
> <marius.schebella at gmail.com> wrote:
> I tried this with pd extended 0.40-3, but did not get a startup  
> pref window at all and the path window was very small and empty.  
> (os x, 10.5.)
> marius.
>
> David Golightly wrote:
> And, here's a version with an updated Startup dialog.  Simply copy  
> this to bin/pd.tk <http://pd.tk> (make a backup first!) to try it out.
>
>
>
> On Sat, May 10, 2008 at 12:48 PM, David Golightly  
> <davigoli at gmail.com <mailto:davigoli at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>
>
>    On Sat, May 10, 2008 at 12:36 PM, Steffen Juul <stffn at dibidut.dk
>    <mailto:stffn at dibidut.dk>> wrote:
>
>
>        On 10/05/2008, at 19.48, David Golightly wrote:
>
>            Ok, after a busy week this is what I've been able to  
> come up
>            with for the Path dialog.
>
>
>        Looking really good! The browse functionality is a fair  
> idiom in
>        a such GUI as oppose to entering text, i think.
>
>
>    Thanks!  I've often been kind of frustrated that I have to type in
>    the full directory name rather than simply browsing to it.  For the
>    keyboard-inclined, however, text entry should still be possible.
>
>
>        "One" comment: I have a beef with the functionality of the
>        buttons. Not the Cancel one. The others. 'Apply' does  
> something.
>        'Ok' does 'apply' plus 'cancel'. 'Save...' does 'Apply' plus
>        saves. But it says the list is only gonna work from next  
> time Pd
>        is lunched, why i don't get the 'Apply' and 'Ok'. 'Ok'  
> should do
>        save and cancel. Thats all one wants, anit?
>
>
>    I agree.  I've preserved the pre-existing functionality for those
>    buttons from before, but do we really need both "Save" and  
> "Apply"?    Currently, "Save" also "saves preferences" (verbose &  
> use standard
>    extensions).  I think that should also happen when you click
>    "Apply", so we can do away with the "Save" button, and also make
>    sure that the message about needing to restart PD pops up when you
>    click "OK" or "Apply".
>
>
>
>            I'm thinking about adapting this UI for the Startup  
> dialog -
>            shouldn't be hard to do - except instead of choosing
>            directories you want to enter arbitrary text.
>
>
>        I haven't checked your code but i suppose most "proc's" can be
>        reused?
>
>
>            I've set up some various key bindings so I want to make  
> sure
>            it seems usable for everyone.
>
>
>        Nice. What are they?
>
>
>    Default key bindings for the listbox widget give you "up" and  
> "down"
>    keys to select, I've added "Delete" to delete the current  
> selection,
>    and "Return" to open the browse dialog (same as pressing "Edit").
>
>
>
>            So far I've only tested this on Mac OS X
>
>
>        OS X.4 here.
>
>
>
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