[PD] UI developer volunteering to help

Hans-Christoph Steiner hans at eds.org
Sun May 18 16:15:39 CEST 2008

Very nice!  The mouse/keyboard interactive is well done, I only worry  
that the buttons are now too sparse.  I think delete and edit buttons  
would still be useful, maybe people don't use keyboard shortcuts at all.

Also, on Mac OS X, Delete is not commonly used, so it would be good  
to also have BackSpace work for deleting.  Or maybe Cmd-BackSpace  
since that is what is used for deleting in the Finder.


On May 18, 2008, at 9:46 AM, David Golightly wrote:

> A note on the latest changes: I removed all the list manipulation  
> buttons and added the following bindings:
> - The list items can be re-ordered by drag-and-drop.
> - Clicking on a list item allows you to edit it.
> - Clicking anywhere else in the listbox allows you to add a new  
> list item.
> - You can also traverse the list using up and down arrow keys, then  
> press "Enter" to change the selected item.
> - Press "Delete" to delete the currently selected list item.
> I kept around the "New..." button, since it may not be immediately  
> obvious to newbies how to add new things to the list.
> I also removed the "Save all settings" button and folded its action  
> in to the "Apply" command (and, by extension, the OK command).  I  
> played around with trying to get an in-place editable listbox  
> control for the Startup dialog, but to no avail - it's apparently  
> no trivial task in Tcl/Tk.  Perhaps for a future revision.   
> However, the popup dialog functions effective the same, as "Enter"  
> will submit your edit and "Esc" will cancel; once you get used to  
> it it shouldn't be much different.
> I'm also now centering the dialog windows on the screen.  I'd like  
> to do this also (especially) for the "Properties" dialogs that are  
> used to edit GUI controls.  Tk like to try and "cascade" new  
> dialogs as they appear; this is too clever by half, and really  
> annoying once if you do a lot of editing.  But I've only tested  
> this centering behavior on my own Macbook 15" screen, so it would  
> be great if others could verify it's still usable on other screen  
> sizes.
> One other thing: these dialogs can now be resized, but they appear  
> at their minimum size, so you can't shrink them any further (you  
> can only expand them).
> Please let me know what you think and as always let me know if you  
> run into any trouble!
> Thanks,
> David
> On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 6:06 PM, David Golightly  
> <davigoli at gmail.com> wrote:
> Ok, with the path/startup dialogs, this is about the feature set  
> I'd like to end up with for now.  Please, everyone, review it for  
> usability & obvious bugs, and if it looks good I'll submit it as a  
> patch.
> Thanks,
> David
> On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 11:53 PM, Steffen Juul <stffn at dibidut.dk>  
> wrote:
> On 14/05/2008, at 0.16, marius schebella wrote:
> David Golightly wrote:
> Keep in mind I'm
> still learning Tcl/Tk, so some of these ideas, while excellent, are a
> little beyond my technical grasp at this point and may be improvements
> that we make incrementally over time.  Also, I have a limited  
> amount of
> my time to budget for this kind of work
> david,
> if you spend 1 hour on coding and one hour on documenting of how to  
> get
> to that step, (instead of 2 hours coding), then the chance that more
> people will be able to jump in is bigger. tcl/tk is new to most  
> people.
> being able to concentrate on design and ui aspects would make life
> easier. the hard part is to get started.
> Especially since the names in Tk are to my experience somewhat  
> different to what one put in the search bar, ie. of my/your(?)/ 
> normal vocabulary.
> Example: tabs ~= notebook. See http://wiki.tcl.tk/2298
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