[PD] help files was: Re: call for testing on the nightly builds!

Rich E reakinator at gmail.com
Wed May 21 19:44:00 CEST 2008

Both layout 1 and 2 would be nice to have, for different situations.
Concerning patches that are included in pd extended, it seems best to use
layout 1 that you mention, which is compatible on everyone's system, as of
right now.  [declare]/[import] seems like something for personal patches,
where someone knows what obects they use, and there are no namespace
conflicts that are effecting their setup.  This system is still in flux, but
it can wait, as it is only a system to make things easier.



On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 5:34 AM, Frank Barknecht <fbar at footils.org> wrote:

> Hallo,
> Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
> > Pd-extended did not introduce namespace prefixes, Miller did that
> > probably before I even heard of Pd.  Pd-extended is just organized
> > around that idea.  Pd-vanilla fully supports namespace prefixes.  I
> > don't know how many times I have to say this, but it hasn't changed
> > since the beginning.  I guess its just part of the ebb and flow of
> > this list to have this discussion every 6 months. ;)
> I also have a strong Deja vu. ;)
> Anyway, to reiterate the problem for others: *-help.pd files that are in
> the same directory as the abstractions that they document work
> everywhere:
>    Directory layout 1:
>    extra/prefix/abst.pd
>    extra/prefix/abst-help.pd <= uses [abst]
>    Start Pd:
>    $ pd -path extra -helppath extra
>    Create [prefix/abst], select Help on it, "prefix/abst-help.pd" is
>    opened and shows [abst]
> But this doesn't work:
>    Directory layout 2:
>    extra/prefix/abst.pd
>    doc/prefix/abst-help.pd <= uses [abst]
>    Start Pd as:
>    $ pd -path extra -helppath doc
>    Create [prefix/abst], select Help on it, "prefix/abst-help.pd" is
>    opened, but [abst] is broken.
> This is a well-known issue and as far as I see it has two fixes
> a simple one: Use "Directory layout 1" or
> and a complex one: Make a [declare]/[import] for Pd-vanilla that
> "works", agree on "prefix"es and add [declare]/[import] to the help file
> to load "prefix" locally.
> There also is a bad (IMO) third fix: Make abst-help.pd use
> [prefix/abst], which is bad because it breaks, if you're not using
> "Directory layout 2" exactly, for example, if you make a copy of abst.pd
> and abst-help.pd in your working/project directory and don't install it
> globally.
> Deja vu end.
> Ciao
> --
> Frank Barknecht
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