[PD] left mouse click abuse

Hans-Christoph Steiner hans at eds.org
Mon Jan 5 20:30:10 CET 2009

Hey all,

There are a lot of good ideas in this thread, and it would be great if  
people try them out in a flexible manner to see what works.  This is a  
problem that needs to be tackled as a whole, I think things will get  
ugly fast new behaviors are tacked on here and there.

So I suggest exposing the functions for these behaviors and making it  
really easy for people to try their own key bindings.  Then we can  
find all the conflicts and issues and come up with something that  
works well as a whole.


On Jan 5, 2009, at 8:27 AM, Andy Farnell wrote:

> On Mon, 5 Jan 2009 13:40:59 +0100
> "Lukasz Jastrzebski" <luke.jastrzebski at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I think the ctrl + 1 (2, 3...) shortcut not so good way. And I don't
>> see any reason not to make inserting objects (or text in objects)  
>> more
>> intuitive, usable, ergonomic. Not only this is an unpleasant
>> two-fingered combination, but also you have to be careful both with
>> typing and clicking at one time.
> Depends on how big your hands are. My span (Keyboard player)
> makes up to CTRL+6 comfortable, but 7, 8, 9 and 0 are painful.
> Espacially after certain other key sequences that leave the thumb
> away from home position.
> It's good to see this being discussed in a more international
> context, I also found great problems with AWERTY keyboards in
> Poitiers recently, I don't know how the Belgiums and French
> suffer such torture with some frequent key combos.
>> How about using F-keys (if any)? or num block?
> These can be awkward from a programming POV and have reserved
> functions in some OS setups. For reasons you elaborate on yourself
> I think it's best to use the minimal laptop keyboard as as a
> model.
> In the end, the best solution may be a user configurable key bindings
> file, with fallback to defaults.
> On the whole I have grown used to Pd GUI and like it.
> As an aside, a slightly OT observation (that we can't really
> do anything about) is the large number of students who have
> a problem finding the tilde key. One guy who has a German MacBook
> needed to ask on forums for a long time before someone told him
> the magic key combo to get tilde (crazy Apple thoughtlessness).
> -- 
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