[PD] (Form Trouble) The PdCon09 webpage is down ... am I too late?

[Alexandre Porres]

well, some people are habing problems sending us the Forms, I dont know
why... maybe some browser bug...
please dont panic, just try it gently and calmly, if any problems, let us
know

pdcon09 at estudiolivre.org

cheers



On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 6:14 AM, <pd-list-request at iem.at> wrote:

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>   1. Re: Question on SSSAD and scalability (Frank Barknecht)
>   2. Re: The PdCon09 webpage is down ... am I too late?
>      (IOhannes m zmoelnig)
>   3. Re: steep filter? (Frank Barknecht)
>   4. Re: Unified Library was Re: Call for GSoC mentors! March  9th
>      deadline! (Frank Barknecht)
>   5. Re: Pd book sprint in NYC/Berlin (Derek Holzer)
>   6. Re: The PdCon09 webpage is down ... am I too late? (Jaime Oliver)
>   7. Re: Pd book sprint in NYC/Berlin (Georg Holzmann)
>   8. Re: Problems accessing Pdlist Archives (Derek Holzer)
>   9. Re: Problems accessing Pdlist Archives (Alex Lucas)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 08:54:44 +0100
> From: Frank Barknecht <fbar at footils.org>
> Subject: Re: [PD] Question on SSSAD and scalability
> To: pd-list at iem.at
> Message-ID: <20090316075444.GA15510 at footils.org>
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> Hallo,
> Mike McGonagle hat gesagt: // Mike McGonagle wrote:
>
> > On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 3:32 PM, Frank Barknecht <fbar at footils.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > The context that I was actually thinking was in trying to do "live
> > coding". Of all the times that I have been using SSSAD, my biggest
> > complaint about it is that I would always need to resave, close, and
> > reopen the file. It always seemed that the one instance of an SSSAD
> > reference that I was deleting was the FIRST ONE. Of course, doing that
> > was sure to make that parameters NOT SAVE, unless I reopened.
>
> A closebang would solve this. It will probably happen less often with local
> sssads.
>
> > > Now if you really worry about the load of having a lot of
> > > [route]-misses when sending message, I'd recommend to use the "local"
> > > senders in sssad, that are used when adding a second argument to a
> > > [sssad] object: [sssad key $0] will use a bus called [r $0-SSSAD] and
> > > [r $0-SSSAD_ADMIN] instead of the global ones.
> >
> > My whole point of bringing this up has more to do with how an
> > "external" (yes, actual C code) might be able to implement the SSSAD
> > protocol. I can think of MANY EXTERNALS that would benefit by doing
> > this...
> >
> > At the same time, that might make it appear that SSSAD is an accepted
> > standard in Pd. And Miller, himself has written on this very topic...
> > So, what is the means of storing data... is there one?
>
> Storing data is not in the realm of sssad - again this is by design and
> comes
> from my experience with  RRADical/Memento where the storage was inside the
> saving system and tied to [pool].
>
> SSSAD is intended to to just one thing but do that right: Its purpose is to
> eavesdrop on the messages that objects send to each other and distribute
> them
> to rsp. modify them from a central place. That's all. What comes after that
> central place is up to the end user. It would be easy to make an external
> that
> does the same. sssad is just a wrapper around [list], [route] [send] and
> [receive]. One "S" in its name stands for "simple". ;)
>
> > I'm curious, but how many "externals" do you have with RjDj? I can
> > only assume that you can't do too much with it, other than the basic
> > implementation of Pd.
>
> Hm, I don't understand this question? RjDj is pretty much pure Pd and has
> almost no externals at all - which doesn't mean that you can't do much with
> it:
> For audio work Pd is very powerful and no externals are (strictly)
> necessary.
>
> Ciao
> --
> Frank
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 09:02:29 +0100
> From: IOhannes m zmoelnig <zmoelnig at iem.at>
> Subject: Re: [PD] The PdCon09 webpage is down ... am I too late?
> To: danomatika <danomatika at gmail.com>
> Cc: "pd-list at iem.at" <pd-list at iem.at>
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> danomatika wrote:
> > On Sun, 2009-03-15 at 19:58 +0100, IOhannes m zm?lnig wrote:
> >
> >> paper submit page:
> >> http://pdcon09.devolts.org/author/submit.php
> >>
> >> paper upload page (once you have submitted it):
> >> http://pdcon09.devolts.org/author/upload.php
> >
> > Thanks IOhannes, but I'm looking for the performance application ...
> >
>
> you can (or "could", by now) submit performances, installations,
> workshops and papers with the above two links.
>
> fgmasdr
> mfasdf.
> IOhannes
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 09:25:28 +0100
> From: Frank Barknecht <fbar at footils.org>
> Subject: Re: [PD] steep filter?
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> Hallo,
> Jo?o Pais hat gesagt: // Jo?o Pais wrote:
>
> > yes, I had seen that graphic as well. but trying out the highpass
> > iemfilters with noise, turns out that 10 hip~s work better.
>
> Hehe, I guess that's because you filter noise: It's harder to recognize the
> noise that the 10 hip stages added. :)
>
> > I looked in my list of pd-ext objects, but found no elliptic filters. are
> > there any, or any way of getting their coefficients to use with biquad~?
>
> Elliptic filters are rather hard to design, most of the time you will find
> Butterworth or Chebyshev designs in our little audio world.
>
> A biquad~ has only two poles and zeroes, so you would need to cascade
> several
> stages to get a really sharp filter.
>
> Ciao
> --
> Frank
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 09:30:59 +0100
> From: Frank Barknecht <fbar at footils.org>
> Subject: Re: [PD] Unified Library was Re: Call for GSoC mentors! March
>        9th     deadline!
> To: PD List <pd-list at iem.at>
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>
> Hallo,
> hard off hat gesagt: // hard off wrote:
>
> > yeah sorry frank, i should have explained more clearly.
> >
> > i also think that no GUI is the way to go for functional abstractions.
>  that
> > was the big flaw of the DIY library i did, that the function of the
> > abstractions was tied in with the gui component.  i did it that way
> because
> > i didn't want to clutter the namespace with too many abstractions, and
> the
> > thought of one abstraction for function, and then a different one for GUI
> > was not appealing at the time.
> >
> > but now, i think that is the only way to go.  like, as you said, for
> > polyphony.  and then also for the many many cases in which you'd want to
> > build your own gui for custom control.
>
> Yeah, basically that was all I wanted to say as well. ;)
>
> > i do think you guys have got a really really strong system there with
> > rjlib.  but i was just saying that without the gui stuff, it doesn't
> exactly
> > fit into being that 'all purpose building blocks' library that we are
> > discussing.
>
> Yes, that's true. rjlib has its focus on audio and control abstractions to
> be
> used on mobile devices with vanilla Pd. Some of this fits into a "all
> purpose"
> library, but a lot of it doesn't.
>
> Ciao
> --
> Frank
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 09:41:32 +0100
> From: Derek Holzer <derek at umatic.nl>
> Subject: Re: [PD] Pd book sprint in NYC/Berlin
> Cc: PD List <pd-list at iem.at>
> Message-ID: <49BE10BC.4010908 at umatic.nl>
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>
> My tendency is to keep everything as simple and low-tech as possible.
> Does video conferencing add anything substantial that IRC doesn't have
> already? Do we want to do interpretive dance for each other in order to
> write a FLOSS manual? Do we really need to look at another room full of
> people sitting behind laptops across the ocean somewhere? Does anybody
> ever actually watch these video streams from meetings like these? I
> could see some sense if there was some sort of presentation aspect, but
> these will be working sessions, i.e. very boring to look at .
>
> D.
>
> --
> ::: derek holzer ::: http://blog.myspace.com/macumbista :::
> http://www.vimeo.com/macumbista :::
> ---Oblique Strategy # 15:
> "Ask your body"
>
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 01:49:46 -0700
> From: Jaime Oliver <jaime.oliver2 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [PD] The PdCon09 webpage is down ... am I too late?
> To: IOhannes m zmoelnig <zmoelnig at iem.at>
> Cc: danomatika <danomatika at gmail.com>, "pd-list at iem.at"
>        <pd-list at iem.at>
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>        <616283880903160149i6d48d63br41d7f8bc5c8197ba at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> hi everyone i have been trying for hours to upload the pdf form, but
> it doesn't work for me, should I just try to send it by e-mail?
>
> J
>
> On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 1:02 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig <zmoelnig at iem.at>
> wrote:
> > danomatika wrote:
> >>
> >> On Sun, 2009-03-15 at 19:58 +0100, IOhannes m zm?lnig wrote:
> >>
> >>> paper submit page:
> >>> http://pdcon09.devolts.org/author/submit.php
> >>>
> >>> paper upload page (once you have submitted it):
> >>> http://pdcon09.devolts.org/author/upload.php
> >>
> >> Thanks IOhannes, but I'm looking for the performance application ...
> >>
> >
> > you can (or "could", by now) submit performances, installations,
> workshops
> > and papers with the above two links.
> >
> > fgmasdr
> > mfasdf.
> > IOhannes
> >
> >
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> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 09:54:12 +0100
> From: Georg Holzmann <grh at mur.at>
> Subject: Re: [PD] Pd book sprint in NYC/Berlin
> To: Derek Holzer <derek at umatic.nl>
> Cc: PD List <pd-list at iem.at>
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> Derek Holzer schrieb:
> > My tendency is to keep everything as simple and low-tech as possible.
> > Does video conferencing add anything substantial that IRC doesn't have
> > already? Do we want to do interpretive dance for each other in order to
> > write a FLOSS manual? Do we really need to look at another room full of
> > people sitting behind laptops across the ocean somewhere? Does anybody
> > ever actually watch these video streams from meetings like these? I
> > could see some sense if there was some sort of presentation aspect, but
> > these will be working sessions, i.e. very boring to look at .
>
> You are right.
> And if one really wants to speak/see each other, one can use ekiga,
> skype or whatever ...
>
> LG
> Georg
>
>
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 09:57:30 +0100
> From: Derek Holzer <derek at umatic.nl>
> Subject: Re: [PD] Problems accessing Pdlist Archives
> To: Alex Lucas <alex3lucas at googlemail.com>
> Cc: pd-list at iem.at
> Message-ID: <49BE147A.4080709 at umatic.nl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Hi Alex,
>
> I had the same problem yesterday. There are three alternates listed at:
>
> http://puredata.info/community/lists
>
> Gmane, Mail Archive and Markmail. One of those should work for you.
>
> best!
> Derek
>
> Alex Lucas wrote:
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> > Over the last couple of days I haven't been able to access the Pdlist
> > Archives by following the link on this page
> > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list. Has anyone else had the
> > same problem or dose anyone know of an alternative link?
>
>
> --
> ::: derek holzer ::: http://blog.myspace.com/macumbista :::
> http://www.vimeo.com/macumbista :::
> ---Oblique Strategy # 173:
> "Voice your suspicions"
>
>
>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 09:16:49 +0000
> From: Alex Lucas <alex3lucas at googlemail.com>
> Subject: Re: [PD] Problems accessing Pdlist Archives
> To: Derek Holzer <derek at umatic.nl>
> Cc: pd-list at iem.at
> Message-ID:
>        <6b61086c0903160216m79ba0ecch27b317a42038faf7 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Hi Derek,
>
> Thanks for your help, I really like markmail!
>
> Thanks,
> Alex
>
> 2009/3/16 Derek Holzer <derek at umatic.nl>
>
> > Hi Alex,
> >
> > I had the same problem yesterday. There are three alternates listed at:
> >
> > http://puredata.info/community/lists
> >
> > Gmane, Mail Archive and Markmail. One of those should work for you.
> >
> > best!
> > Derek
> >
> >
> > Alex Lucas wrote:
> >
> >> Hello everyone,
> >>
> >> Over the last couple of days I haven't been able to access the Pdlist
> >> Archives by following the link on this page
> >> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list. Has anyone else had the
> same
> >> problem or dose anyone know of an alternative link?
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > ::: derek holzer ::: http://blog.myspace.com/macumbista :::
> > http://www.vimeo.com/macumbista :::
> > ---Oblique Strategy # 173:
> > "Voice your suspicions"
> >
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