[PD] default [output~] in Pd-extended

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

The current [output~] is not easy to use, lots of people have trouble  
with it.  Scrolling in a number box is not a standard GUI interaction,  
and not particularly intuitive.

.hc

On Mar 24, 2009, at 3:41 AM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:

> Why not use Miller's output~ as the default in pd-ext?
>
> I like the fact that the tutorials have both an abstraction and a  
> subpatch for output, and it might be nice to have another gop that  
> uses a slider as in your proposed abstraction.
>
> I think it would additionally be nice to have something like the  
> attached somewhere in the tutorials, which is just a clone of your  
> ezoutput~ using data structures.  It would helpful when someone gets  
> to the ds tutorial to be able to have an abstraction they've already  
> been using to show as an example.  The ds stuff is separated from  
> the rest of the patch for that reason, though maybe something  
> simpler would make a better example (at least as much as possible  
> without using abstractions).
>
> -Jonathan
>
>
> --- On Mon, 3/23/09, Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans at eds.org> wrote:
>
>> From: Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans at eds.org>
>> Subject: Re: [PD] default [output~] in Pd-extended
>> To: "IOhannes m zmoelnig" <zmoelnig at iem.at>
>> Cc: "Pd List" <pd-list at iem.at>
>> Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 10:49 PM
>> On Mar 23, 2009, at 4:09 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
>>
>>> Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>>>
>>>> So if we are introducing the concept of objects
>> and GUI in Pd, then I think it is safe to use GOP objects.
>> After all, we don't expect newbies to know anything
>> about C or Tcl, but that's under it it all.  I don't
>> think we should add an output~ to help patches that
>> don't already have them.  I just think we should have a
>> more intuitive and usable output~.  The current one already
>> uses GOP, so that's not a change.
>>>
>>> i fully agree.
>>> and would like to stress, that i am pretty sure that
>> most users will not have a clue about gop when they first
>> encounter the [output~] module (be it a new one or the
>> original one).
>>>
>>> at least i cannot seem to find any documentation about
>> gop prior to 3/A.05; nevertheless i think it is a good idea
>> to use a gop-abstraction here.
>>>
>>> fgmasdr
>>> IOhannes
>>
>>
>> Anyone else want to weigh in on this?  I'd like to
>> lobby Miller to get this included in 'extra' at
>> least, then also used in the help and docmentation.
>>
>>
>> .hc
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