[PD] default [output~] in Pd-extended

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On Mar 24, 2009, at 10:29 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:

> On Tue, 24 Mar 2009, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>>
>> Should we let snarkiness end this discussion?  I thought it was  
>> actually pretty productive til this little bit...
>
> You can still work around my comments, and continue this discussion,  
> but what I'm trying to say is that you can't necessarily just wave  
> some word like "intuitive" and explain nothing about why you use it  
> and expect people to just nod and call it productive.
>
> Go be productive with your intuitivity if you will, but when I make  
> a comment like that, it's because I'm concerned that something is  
> going the wrong way. I don't mock for the sake of mocking.
>
> If there can't be any disapproval of your ways, then why do you look  
> like you want to get some approval at all? You can simply change the  
> numberbox in pd-extended so as to suit your fancy and that would be  
> the end of the story.
>
> Now if you could simply present your reasons to believe that a  
> numberbox may be unintuitive to beginners in a way so significant  
> that it warrants avoiding it, ... it sounds curious, so, I'm  
> curious. Do you think sliders are nonintuitive as well? Pd's sliders  
> are pretty nonstandard as far as UIs go.

I've taught Pd quite a bit at this point, and I have watched many  
people not understand the number boxes as a interactive GUI element.   
Its based on my experience, that's all.  There is no scientific  
process behind it.  It is also based on my experience learning Pd,  
back in the day.  I remember it took me a while before I could get the  
examples working, and I had been working with Csound, Cmix, MusicKit  
and others before, so I was quite familiar with the concepts.

.hc

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