[PD] default [output~] in Pd-extended

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On Mar 24, 2009, at 10:04 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:

>
> After playing with ezoutput~, I have a few thoughts:
> 1. A [change] after [route dsp] in the dsp logic subpatch.  At least  
> on windows, the slider motion is sluggish because of constant color  
> messages to the tgl.
> 2. Allow the slider to go to zero, maybe with a [- 0.01] between the  
> slider and the [pack].

Good ideas.  Done!

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> 3. I think a label for the mute button would be nice (could just be  
> my own personal preference, though).

I tried, but the font just seemed too small, especially on Pd-vanilla.

.hc

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> -Jonathan
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> --- On Tue, 3/24/09, Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans at eds.org> wrote:
>
>> From: Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans at eds.org>
>> Subject: Re: [PD] default [output~] in Pd-extended
>> To: "Jonathan Wilkes" <jancsika at yahoo.com>
>> Cc: "IOhannes m zmoelnig" <zmoelnig at iem.at>, "Pd List" <pd-list at iem.at 
>> >
>> Date: Tuesday, March 24, 2009, 6:10 PM
>> The current [output~] is not easy to use, lots of people
>> have trouble with it.  Scrolling in a number box is not a
>> standard GUI interaction, and not particularly intuitive.
>>
>> .hc
>>
>> On Mar 24, 2009, at 3:41 AM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
>>
>>> Why not use Miller's output~ as the default in
>> pd-ext?
>>>
>>> I like the fact that the tutorials have both an
>> abstraction and a subpatch for output, and it might be nice
>> to have another gop that uses a slider as in your proposed
>> abstraction.
>>>
>>> I think it would additionally be nice to have
>> something like the attached somewhere in the tutorials,
>> which is just a clone of your ezoutput~ using data
>> structures.  It would helpful when someone gets to the ds
>> tutorial to be able to have an abstraction they've
>> already been using to show as an example.  The ds stuff is
>> separated from the rest of the patch for that reason, though
>> maybe something simpler would make a better example (at
>> least as much as possible without using abstractions).
>>>
>>> -Jonathan
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On Mon, 3/23/09, Hans-Christoph Steiner
>> <hans at eds.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> From: Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans at eds.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [PD] default [output~] in Pd-extended
>>>> To: "IOhannes m zmoelnig"
>> <zmoelnig at iem.at>
>>>> Cc: "Pd List" <pd-list at iem.at>
>>>> Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 10:49 PM
>>>> On Mar 23, 2009, at 4:09 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig
>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> So if we are introducing the concept of
>> objects
>>>> and GUI in Pd, then I think it is safe to use GOP
>> objects.
>>>> After all, we don't expect newbies to know
>> anything
>>>> about C or Tcl, but that's under it it all.  I
>> don't
>>>> think we should add an output~ to help patches
>> that
>>>> don't already have them.  I just think we
>> should have a
>>>> more intuitive and usable output~.  The current
>> one already
>>>> uses GOP, so that's not a change.
>>>>>
>>>>> i fully agree.
>>>>> and would like to stress, that i am pretty
>> sure that
>>>> most users will not have a clue about gop when
>> they first
>>>> encounter the [output~] module (be it a new one or
>> the
>>>> original one).
>>>>>
>>>>> at least i cannot seem to find any
>> documentation about
>>>> gop prior to 3/A.05; nevertheless i think it is a
>> good idea
>>>> to use a gop-abstraction here.
>>>>>
>>>>> fgmasdr
>>>>> IOhannes
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Anyone else want to weigh in on this?  I'd
>> like to
>>>> lobby Miller to get this included in
>> 'extra' at
>>>> least, then also used in the help and
>> docmentation.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> .hc
>>>>
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