[PD] PD t-shirts

Ben Baker-Smith bbakersmith at gmail.com
Thu Apr 2 16:38:16 CEST 2009

Thanks Kyle,

That's much more in line with what I'm looking to do.  I also cannot
afford to go to PdCon given that it's all the way in Brazil, and I'm
sure the majority of Pd users are in the same boat.  A documentation
bounty seems like a good way to encourage people to document, and give
them a way of justifying their time.  And, I agree, probably more
worthwhile than paying half of one person's ticket to Sao Paulo.

In regards to designs, and printing:

I'm thinking it might be cheapest (allowing more money to be raised)
for me to print the shirts myself.. I just need to come up with a
solid price estimate in the next couple days.  Also, this seems more
in line with the do-it-yourself attitude of Pd than, say, e-mailing a
.Gif file to an internet service and letting it all go through them.

I have  couple designs I've drawn up myself, and a few have been
submitted to me via this list.  So, hopefully by the end of the
weekend, I will upload them to my site and post a link on the list for


On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 1:24 AM, Kyle Klipowicz <kyleklip at gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes, I agree that the fund should be for a documentation bounty.
> I think that Ben (or whoever makes the shirts) should hold the money in
> trust. Perhaps set up an interest-bearing account to save the cash in. Then
> create a well-documented (pun?) bounty description of what key features are
> to be implemented and the financial payment for each.
> You could do micropayments for key help patches or examples, say $20 US
> each, or a big bounty for larger sections such as re-organizing existing
> patches into a tidy intro library for new uses, with ready-mades to go.
> I think this would be a longer lasting value than paying for Pd-con. I'd
> love to go myself, but probably cannot afford it...but I'd rather see some
> solid documentation be built...or have the financial incentive to do it!
> (Not a capitalist, just a hungry belly).
> ~Kyle
> On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 9:34 AM, Ben Baker-Smith <bbakersmith at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> I'm open to the idea of donating proceeds to PdCon.  But, having never
>> been, I have some clarifying questions/concerns.
>> I would really prefer that any money from sales went toward
>> documentation, which in turn will increase useability and make PD more
>> accessible to new users.  Does the convention encourage/promote
>> documentation?  Is time spent at the convention trying to increase the
>> existing body of literature?
>> If so, then I'm all for it.  I just don't want to settle on PdCon if
>> it's only useful to attendees.  (of course, I understand that in a
>> good open-source community knowledge gained by any members contributes
>> in some way to the knowledge of the group... but I'm talking more
>> formal documention rather than more answers on the mailing list)
>> Glad to hear the interest.  I'm still looking into the best way to go
>> about printing, selling, and distributing.
>> If someone wants to partner up on this I'd be happy for the help and
>> added input.
>> -Ben
>> On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 9:46 PM, Alexandre Castonguay
>> <acastonguay at artengine.ca> wrote:
>> > Hi Ben, all,
>> >
>> > We did the last batch of t's as a fundraiser for the Convention in
>> > Montréal.  We managed to pay for another 1/2 plane ticket with the
>> > proceeds :-).  Maybe the same could be done for São Paulo?
>> >
>> > The super folks from Graz sent the file they used for the original t's I
>> > should still have it if you want.
>> >
>> > À bientôt,
>> >
>> > Alexandre
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> Hello List,
>> >>
>> >> I'm considering designing and selling PD related t-shirts.  I haven't
>> >> totally worked out the logistics.  Basically I was inspired by the
>> >> [Bang( shirts that I've seen online, but which are no longer available
>> >> as far as I can tell.
>> >>
>> >> Anyway, if I did so, I would like to donate all of the proceeds toward
>> >> further PD development, specifically documentation of poorly
>> >> documented objects (or example patches, which is basically the same
>> >> thing).
>> >>
>> >> How do you all think would be the best way of going about this?
>> >>
>> >> Should I stockpile the money and then offer it to someone as a sort of
>> >> grant?  That's less than ideal in my opinion.  I really don't know how
>> >> to go about this.
>> >>
>> >> Any/all input is welcome
>> >>
>> >> -Ben
>> >>
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