[PD] Hot inlet position

Jonathan Wilkes jancsika at yahoo.com
Thu Aug 20 18:41:59 CEST 2009

--- On Thu, 8/20/09, Mathieu Bouchard <matju at artengine.ca> wrote:

> From: Mathieu Bouchard <matju at artengine.ca>
> Subject: Re: [PD] Hot inlet position
> To: "Gabriel Vinazza" <gabevinardi at gmail.com>
> Cc: "puredata mailing list" <pd-list at iem.at>
> Date: Thursday, August 20, 2009, 5:09 PM
> On Wed, 19 Aug 2009, Gabriel Vinazza
> wrote:
> > Miller, I enjoyed very much reading your note, thanks
> for sharing your achievements and concerns.  As an
> artist, I found lots of answers on Pd. Many of the things
> you seem to be worry about are clearly reflected on the
> software and all the community.
> I hope as many people who read that paper can read it
> critically. Several of the ideas contained therein are
> detrimental and harmful to the perception and evolution of
> Pd/Max. Things like: Max isn't a "programming environment",
> and even less a "real-world programming environment";
> features are left out because Max users aren't professional
> programmers; Max is "lacking any notion of linear
> control-flow" (whatever that means???); Max doesn't have
> scoping because musicians don't need it; the idea that
> object-oriented programming is all about inheritance;
> elegance in code has nothing to do with making creative
> music; the computer-science crowd preaches that reuse of
> code is essential to communicating knowledge; Max somehow
> opposed itself to computer science; "The computer should
> ideally feel in the musician's hands like a musical
> instrument, needing only to be tuned up and then played"
> (!!!); etc... well I should put a (!!!) after each of those
> phrases. If you need any justification from me for any
> item(s) on this list I will provide it (if I did it all
> upfront, it could be long like a paper).

I think jmax phoenix has scoping.
Does DesireData?
What's the status of DesireData these days, anyway?  It looks like the 
roadmap hasn't been updated for quite a while.



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