[PD] call for translations for new Pd GUI

Hans-Christoph Steiner hans at at.or.at
Mon Aug 31 23:51:41 CEST 2009

On Aug 28, 2009, at 3:15 PM, András Murányi wrote:

> 2009/8/28 Jonathan Wilkes <jancsika at yahoo.com>
> > Number2 exists because it comes from an external library
> > that was merged into vanilla back then.
> >
> > Number1 still exists because Number2 isn't
> > backwards-compatible with Number1 and so can't actually
> > replace it. Number2 couldn't be made
> > backwards-compatible anymore because it was already used by
> > those who started pd with -lib iemgui.
> >
> > Actually, a special constructor could have been made for
> > that case, similar to how [hradio] and [vradio] also exist
> > as [hdl] and [vdl], but there's also a big mismatch of
> > options between Number1 and Number2, such that it isn't
> > really easy to merge Number1 and Number2 without making a
> > more complicated whole with even more options.
> >
> > Thanks a lot for the explanation!
> > At the end, do we need them both in the Put menu...?
> All the native gui objects available in Pd Vanilla are listed in the  
> Put
> menu, so it would seem odd to remove just one of them.  Plus, you  
> can't
> create a number atom by typing a name into an object box.  It's only
> created through the Put menu, or by its shortcut <ctrl-3> (well,  
> dynamic
> patching too).  Removing it from the Put menu makes it an obscure  
> object.
> You could advocate moving Number2 up in the list and giving it the
> <ctrl-3> shortcut, but it currently has some annoying features like:
> * the number turns red when you scroll
> * its too wide (almost twice as wide as number atom at width = 5)
> * label size will change the size of the number
> * its hard to put the output range back to default once you've  
> changed it
> Given those drawbacks, I prefer just using "Number" instead of  
> "Number2."
> Oooo-kay! From the perspective of a translator, this is kind of  
> embarassing, from the perspective of the systematic mind ("the  
> Programmer"!) still a little bit embarassing, but from a personal  
> point a view, just makes me love her more!! ;o)
> Thanks for the details. Would be nice to wikify this kind of wisdom  
> - maybe our grandsons will do that? ;o)

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