[PD] Fwd: Pure Data/Field assimilation

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Looks nice.  It looks like the MaxPlugin is an mxj, so you should be  
able to use it with pdj.  pdj is a free clone of mxj.  So you could  
just package up pdj with the Field MaxPlugin and distribute that as  
the PdPlugin.

.hc

On Oct 5, 2009, at 4:19 PM, Luke Iannini wrote:

> Yo all,
>
> I don't know if any of you have seen Field?
>
> It's an /extremely/ cool environment/sequencing canvas that I think  
> would be hugely useful to use with Pd.  I'll let them explain it:
> http://openendedgroup.com/field/wiki/OverviewBanners2
>
> They very recently created a "MaxPlugin" which quite impressively  
> integrates Max with Field.
> http://openendedgroup.com/field/wiki/MaxPlugin
>
> I thought it would be nice to get them on the path to doing the same  
> with Pd - see the conversation below.  Anyone have any ideas on the  
> matter?
>
> Luv Luke
>
> Forwarded conversation
> Subject: Pure Data assimilation
> ------------------------
>
> From: Luke <lukexipd at gmail.com>
> Date: Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 12:45 PM
> To: Field-development <field-development at googlegroups.com>
>
>
> Yo guys,
> I saw your MaxPlugin, which looks incredible.  I just wanted to
> suggest also taking a look at the open source older brother of Max,
> Pure Data (the continuation of Max/MSP by Miller S Puckette, the
> original developer)
>
> http://puredata.info/
> http://www-crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html
> (IRC) http://wiki.dataflow.ws/DataFlow
>
> Pd has a nascent concept called "Data Structures" that allow creation
> of graphical scores directly representing their underlying data – it
> seems to me Field is that from 100 years in the future, so it would be
> a very natural marriage.
>
> I'd love to help with this where I can.
>
> Best
> Luke
> ----------
> From: Marc Downie <marc at openendedgroup.com>
> Date: Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 12:51 PM
> To: field-development at googlegroups.com
>
>
> That's a very good idea — the truth is Max/MSP's proprietary-ness  
> (and it's difficult copy protection) is not good.
>
> What's the Java embedding story in Pd like? We are using mxj to poke  
> a hole in Max that Field enters through.
>
> Marc.
>
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> From: Al Matthews <prolepsis at gmail.com>
> Date: Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 12:58 PM
> To: field-development at googlegroups.com
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>
> Cool I was wondering about that. On behalf of maybe others like me  
> only laxly tracking source at the moment, I'll add this request for  
> a bit of technical spec, about the MAX plugin as it presently stands.
>
> More generally, is Field's timeline available or conceived here as a  
> sort of scheduling supplement for MAX events? Scheduling seems  
> historically a kind of weakness of MAX for composition, until you  
> add java or whatnot.
>
> Also a bump for the PD.
> Al Matthews, Programmer Support Specialist
>
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> From: Marc Downie <marc at openendedgroup.com>
> Date: Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 1:16 PM
> To: field-development at googlegroups.com
>
>
> As always, more doc's are on the todo-list.
>
> But the trick is essentially this. mxj — which is a standard box in  
> Max — lets you instantiate java objects. We provide two — one that  
> does the bookkeeping and network communication (MaxFieldRoot) and  
> another that wraps up a Jython environment (MaxField).
>
> The source for both of these is inside /extras/maxfieldMXJ — there  
> isn't much to them.
>
> MaxFieldRoot knows the names (that is what max calls the "scripting  
> names") of all MaxField objects in a patch (and subpatches) and it  
> opens two OSC ports for communication with Field.
>
> MaxField objects when loaded get Jython up and running and execute a  
> startup script that provides some functionality (like the magic  
> function that makes autocomplete work) — this script is maxfield/ 
> __init__.py
>
> Field's side of the bargain is to capture attempts to execute things  
> inside boxes that are marked as "bridged to max" and, rather than  
> executing them, sends them via OSC to Root which then dispatches  
> them to the appropriate MaxField box which then executes the Python  
> code. So sticking a bunch of Field boxes in a timeline and scrubbing  
> them "scrubs" the sending and execution of code in Max. You could  
> probably build less latency-prone and more accurate timing as well  
> using this (you'd send all the box positions over to Max and use  
> it's timing stuff). But this works well for our uses right now.
>
> This code is field.extras.max.MaxExecution. You'll find it's a lot  
> like the ProcessingPlugin — which defers execution of python code  
> not to a separate process but just later in time — until we are  
> "inside" the draw() method of the Processing Applet.
>
> So, basically, we need to be able to run just a little bit of Java  
> (and in turn all of Jython) inside Pd to bootstrap the whole thing.
>
> Any Pd Java experts out there?
>
> Marc.
>
>
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