[PD] Finding "$0" and dealing with it in messages

Jonathan Wilkes jancsika at yahoo.com
Sun Dec 6 00:32:26 CET 2009

--- On Sat, 12/5/09, Frank Barknecht <fbar at footils.org> wrote:

> From: Frank Barknecht <fbar at footils.org>
> Subject: Re: [PD] Finding "$0" and dealing with it in messages
> To: pd-list at iem.at
> Date: Saturday, December 5, 2009, 1:09 PM
> Hallo,
> Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph
> Steiner wrote:
> > On Nov 29, 2009, at 3:26 AM, Frank Barknecht wrote:
> >
> >> I have written a bit about Pd's messages on
> puredata.info, feel free  to
> >> quote as much as you like. I'm not the right
> person to fix pd-extended docs.
> >> I can't even create all objects in that patch and
> bug 2026128 is still
> >> open, which indicates, that we believe different
> things about data types and
> >> messages. I don't want to get into that discussion
> again. :)
> >
> > The PDDP docs predate pd-extended.  The PDDP
> could easily be distributed 
> > or used by anyone. That patch is related to
> PDDP.  But yes, Pd-extended 
> > does include the PDDP docs.  What's the point of
> writing all this email 
> > about the topic if it doesn't actually end up in
> something useful?  Few 
> > people read the archives...
> >
> > I don't understand this anti-Pd-extended
> puritanism.  Does distributing 
> > docs or code in Pd-extended somehow taint it with
> evil?  I think the PDDP 
> > docs are mostly really good.  Most of that work
> was done by Dave Sabine.  
> > Why wouldn't we use it and keep it up to date?
> Hey, all I said is that *I* am not the right person to do
> that.

If that's all you had said, I doubt anyone would have replied with 
anything other than "ok."

And now I'm curious: why can't you create all the objects in that 
patch?  If some of those objects don't create in pd-ext on win/macos/
linux, at the very least the patch should be changed so that they are 
removed (or replaced with ascii art).

But if it's that you just prefer using pd-vanilla and don't want to 
download/install pd-ext, why not just say that?



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