[PD] pd-gui-rewrite testing

Sun Jan 10 00:29:44 CET 2010

On Jan 9, 2010, at 5:37 PM, Rich E wrote:

>
> Still in OS X 10.6.  I don't have one of these problems with Pd- 
> devel-0.43 (dec 15) nightly build, so it must all be because of the  
> tk/cocoa version that you mention.  I'm not sure how to report it a  
> tcl mailing list, as I don't know where the code is that implements  
> these things.
>
> Does it make sense that the arrow keys are detected differently in  
> Tk/Cocoa, so they are just sent to pd's gui C code as spaces?

Not to me... it should be the same, that's why its worth reporting to  
tcl-mac.  You don't need to know the exact code that's causing the  
problem.  I read that list too, so I can fill in the details.  I just  
don't have access to a 10.6 machine these days.

> As for the text color issue in the audio settings, you'll have to  
> point me towards what is controlling that.  I'll send you a  
> screenshot after this email.

Check out dialog_audio.tcl.  Its still mostly the original code, so it  
can be scary. ;)

> Do you know how I can force configure to use Tcl/Tk 8.5.7/Carbon?

If you put a version of Tcl/Tk 8.5.7/Carbon frameworks into /Library/ 
Frameworks, it should use them over the build in ones.  But that means  
using the Makefile in packages/darwin_app and running "make install".   
For development, I just rename a nighly build as "Pd-devel.app" then  
inside the package, remove some guts and symlink it to my pd-gui- 
rewrite/0.43 sources:

hans at palatschinken.at.or.at:src > ls -l /Applications/Pd-devel.app/ 
Contents/Resources/
total 152
lrwxr-xr-x   1 hans staff     3 2010-01-05 14:27 Scripts -> bin/
-r--r--r--   1 hans staff 47204 2008-08-14 20:03 VolumeIcon.icns
-r--r--r--   1 hans staff   545 2008-07-21 13:53 Wish.rsrc
lrwxr-xr-x   1 root staff    59 2010-01-05 14:32 bin -> /Users/hans/ 
code/pure-data/branches/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/src/
dr-xr-xr-x  13 hans staff   442 2009-12-15 08:41 doc/
dr-xr-xr-x 180 hans staff  6120 2009-12-15 08:52 extra/
dr-xr-xr-x   6 hans staff   204 2009-12-15 08:41 include/
-r--r--r--   1 hans staff 42741 2008-02-14 18:14 pd-file.icns
-r--r--r--   1 hans staff 37100 2008-02-14 18:14 pd.icns
lrwxr-xr-x   1 root staff    58 2010-01-05 14:31 po -> /Users/hans/ 
code/pure-data/branches/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/po/
dr-xr-xr-x   3 hans staff   102 2009-12-15 08:41 share/
lrwxr-xr-x   1 root staff    63 2010-01-05 14:31 startup -> /Users/ 
hans/code/pure-data/branches/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/startup/

.hc

> I'll use the nightly build in the meantime and let you know what  
> comes up.
>
> -rich
>
> On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 4:40 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner  
> <hans at at.or.at> wrote:
>
> First off, which platform?  Is this still Mac OS X 10.6?  If so,  
> 10.6 has a built-in custom version of Tcl/Tk 8.5.7 that uses Cocoa  
> for the back end rather than Carbon.  Tcl/Tk 8.6 will only use this  
> Cocoa backend, but will work on Mac OS X 10.5.  It would be good to  
> flush out these bugs and report them to the tcl-mac list so that  
> they can get fixed.
>
> One thing to try is using one of the nightly builds, which include  
> Tcl/Tk 8.5.7/Carbon.  I think they should work on 10.6:
> http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/latest/
>
> On Nov 16, 2009, at 1:55 PM, Rich E wrote:
>
> Hi List, Hans,
>
> I've been using the pd-gui-rewrite-0.43 svn for a couple days now  
> and here are some notes I've taken when finding various bugs (is the  
> better sent to the pd-dev list?):
>
> • In Audio Settings, the text in the drop down menus is hardly  
> visible because it is very light grey
>
> Never seen that, screenshot?
>
>
> • there is a new menu item called 'apple' with "about pd" and  
> preferences"
>
> Known issue with the Tk/Cocoa, haven't found a workaround yet.
>
>
> • editing an object name:
> ‣ moving with arrows adds a space to the end, but does not move  
> within the object name
>
> Hmm, can't reproduce, Tk/Cocoa issue?
>
>
> • opening "about pd" gives an error:
> ‣ Error: can't read "pd_myversion": no such variable"
> ‣ an't read "pd_myversion": no such variable
> can't read "pd_myversion": no such variable
>    while executing
> "regsub -all PD_VERSION $bigstring2 $pd_myversion bigstring3"
>    (procedure "::pd_menucommands::menu_opentext" line 15)
>    invoked from within
> "::pd_menucommands::menu_opentext "$dirname/$basename""
>    (".txt" arm line 1)
>    invoked from within
> "switch -- [string tolower [file extension $basename]] {
>        ".txt"    {::pd_menucommands::menu_opentext "$dirname/ 
> $basename"
>        } ".c"    {::..."
>    (procedure "menu_doc_open" line 4)
>    invoked from within
> "menu_doc_open doc/1.manual 1.introduction.txt"
>    (menu invoke)
>
> Its not implemented yet...  I was hoping to make "About Pd" a pd  
> patch.
>
>
> I have some time on my hands now that I finished my Master's, and  
> frankly I think the pd-vanilla GUI is unpleasant, so I could learn  
> tcl/tk and help out, if needed.
>
> That would be great!  Your reports have already been helpful.  I'm  
> going to be in pretty deep this month till its finished and merged  
> into Miller's 0.43 version.  He's been relatively scarse on the  
> lists, but we've been working thru this stuff off-list.
>
> .hc
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