[PD] pd-gui-rewrite testing

Rich E rich.eakin at gmail.com
Sun Jan 17 16:10:43 CET 2010


On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 12:29 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans at at.or.at>wrote:

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> On Jan 9, 2010, at 5:37 PM, Rich E wrote:
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> Still in OS X 10.6.  I don't have one of these problems with Pd-devel-0.43
> (dec 15) nightly build, so it must all be because of the tk/cocoa version
> that you mention.  I'm not sure how to report it a tcl mailing list, as I
> don't know where the code is that implements these things.
>
> Does it make sense that the arrow keys are detected differently in
> Tk/Cocoa, so they are just sent to pd's gui C code as spaces?
>
>
> Not to me... it should be the same, that's why its worth reporting to
> tcl-mac.  You don't need to know the exact code that's causing the problem.
>  I read that list too, so I can fill in the details.  I just don't have
> access to a 10.6 machine these days.
>
> As for the text color issue in the audio settings, you'll have to point me
> towards what is controlling that.  I'll send you a screenshot after this
> email.
>
>
> Check out dialog_audio.tcl.  Its still mostly the original code, so it can
> be scary. ;)
>
> Do you know how I can force configure to use Tcl/Tk 8.5.7/Carbon?
>
>
> If you put a version of Tcl/Tk 8.5.7/Carbon frameworks into
> /Library/Frameworks, it should use them over the build in ones.  But that
> means using the Makefile in packages/darwin_app and running "make install".
>  For development, I just rename a nighly build as "Pd-devel.app" then inside
> the package, remove some guts and symlink it to my pd-gui-rewrite/0.43
> sources:
>
> hans at palatschinken.at.or.at:src > ls -l
> /Applications/Pd-devel.app/Contents/Resources/
> total 152
> lrwxr-xr-x   1 hans staff     3 2010-01-05 14:27 Scripts -> bin/
> -r--r--r--   1 hans staff 47204 2008-08-14 20:03 VolumeIcon.icns
> -r--r--r--   1 hans staff   545 2008-07-21 13:53 Wish.rsrc
> lrwxr-xr-x   1 root staff    59 2010-01-05 14:32 bin ->
> /Users/hans/code/pure-data/branches/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/src/
> dr-xr-xr-x  13 hans staff   442 2009-12-15 08:41 doc/
> dr-xr-xr-x 180 hans staff  6120 2009-12-15 08:52 extra/
> dr-xr-xr-x   6 hans staff   204 2009-12-15 08:41 include/
> -r--r--r--   1 hans staff 42741 2008-02-14 18:14 pd-file.icns
> -r--r--r--   1 hans staff 37100 2008-02-14 18:14 pd.icns
> lrwxr-xr-x   1 root staff    58 2010-01-05 14:31 po ->
> /Users/hans/code/pure-data/branches/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/po/
> dr-xr-xr-x   3 hans staff   102 2009-12-15 08:41 share/
> lrwxr-xr-x   1 root staff    63 2010-01-05 14:31 startup ->
> /Users/hans/code/pure-data/branches/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/startup/
>
>
I like this way of running the newest sources from within the app bundle,
but I can't get it working yet.  I had to replace the executable in
Contents/MacOS, but then it cannot find pd-gui.tcl (I removed the bin folder
in the Resources directory and symlinked it to the pd-gui-rewrite/src/, like
you did).

rich


> .hc
>
>
> I'll use the nightly build in the meantime and let you know what comes up.
>
> -rich
>
> On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 4:40 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans at at.or.at>wrote:
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>>
>> First off, which platform?  Is this still Mac OS X 10.6?  If so, 10.6 has
>> a built-in custom version of Tcl/Tk 8.5.7 that uses Cocoa for the back end
>> rather than Carbon.  Tcl/Tk 8.6 will only use this Cocoa backend, but will
>> work on Mac OS X 10.5.  It would be good to flush out these bugs and report
>> them to the tcl-mac list so that they can get fixed.
>>
>> One thing to try is using one of the nightly builds, which include Tcl/Tk
>> 8.5.7/Carbon.  I think they should work on 10.6:
>> http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/latest/
>>
>>  On Nov 16, 2009, at 1:55 PM, Rich E wrote:
>>
>>  Hi List, Hans,
>>>
>>> I've been using the pd-gui-rewrite-0.43 svn for a couple days now and
>>> here are some notes I've taken when finding various bugs (is the better sent
>>> to the pd-dev list?):
>>>
>>> • In Audio Settings, the text in the drop down menus is hardly visible
>>> because it is very light grey
>>>
>>
>> Never seen that, screenshot?
>>
>>
>>  • there is a new menu item called 'apple' with "about pd" and
>>> preferences"
>>>
>>
>> Known issue with the Tk/Cocoa, haven't found a workaround yet.
>>
>>
>>  • editing an object name:
>>> ‣ moving with arrows adds a space to the end, but does not move within
>>> the object name
>>>
>>
>> Hmm, can't reproduce, Tk/Cocoa issue?
>>
>>
>>  • opening "about pd" gives an error:
>>> ‣ Error: can't read "pd_myversion": no such variable"
>>> ‣ an't read "pd_myversion": no such variable
>>> can't read "pd_myversion": no such variable
>>>    while executing
>>> "regsub -all PD_VERSION $bigstring2 $pd_myversion bigstring3"
>>>    (procedure "::pd_menucommands::menu_opentext" line 15)
>>>    invoked from within
>>> "::pd_menucommands::menu_opentext "$dirname/$basename""
>>>    (".txt" arm line 1)
>>>    invoked from within
>>> "switch -- [string tolower [file extension $basename]] {
>>>        ".txt"    {::pd_menucommands::menu_opentext "$dirname/$basename"
>>>        } ".c"    {::..."
>>>    (procedure "menu_doc_open" line 4)
>>>    invoked from within
>>> "menu_doc_open doc/1.manual 1.introduction.txt"
>>>    (menu invoke)
>>>
>>
>> Its not implemented yet...  I was hoping to make "About Pd" a pd patch.
>>
>>
>>  I have some time on my hands now that I finished my Master's, and frankly
>>> I think the pd-vanilla GUI is unpleasant, so I could learn tcl/tk and help
>>> out, if needed.
>>>
>>
>> That would be great!  Your reports have already been helpful.  I'm going
>> to be in pretty deep this month till its finished and merged into Miller's
>> 0.43 version.  He's been relatively scarse on the lists, but we've been
>> working thru this stuff off-list.
>>
>> .hc
>>
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