[PD] pd-gui-rewrite testing

Hans-Christoph Steiner hans at at.or.at
Sun Jan 17 20:07:48 CET 2010


On Jan 17, 2010, at 10:10 AM, Rich E wrote:

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> On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 12:29 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans at at.or.at 
> > wrote:
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> On Jan 9, 2010, at 5:37 PM, Rich E wrote:
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>> Still in OS X 10.6.  I don't have one of these problems with Pd- 
>> devel-0.43 (dec 15) nightly build, so it must all be because of the  
>> tk/cocoa version that you mention.  I'm not sure how to report it a  
>> tcl mailing list, as I don't know where the code is that implements  
>> these things.
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>> Does it make sense that the arrow keys are detected differently in  
>> Tk/Cocoa, so they are just sent to pd's gui C code as spaces?
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> Not to me... it should be the same, that's why its worth reporting  
> to tcl-mac.  You don't need to know the exact code that's causing  
> the problem.  I read that list too, so I can fill in the details.  I  
> just don't have access to a 10.6 machine these days.
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>> As for the text color issue in the audio settings, you'll have to  
>> point me towards what is controlling that.  I'll send you a  
>> screenshot after this email.
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> Check out dialog_audio.tcl.  Its still mostly the original code, so  
> it can be scary. ;)
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>> Do you know how I can force configure to use Tcl/Tk 8.5.7/Carbon?
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> If you put a version of Tcl/Tk 8.5.7/Carbon frameworks into /Library/ 
> Frameworks, it should use them over the build in ones.  But that  
> means using the Makefile in packages/darwin_app and running "make  
> install".  For development, I just rename a nighly build as "Pd- 
> devel.app" then inside the package, remove some guts and symlink it  
> to my pd-gui-rewrite/0.43 sources:
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> hans at palatschinken.at.or.at:src > ls -l /Applications/Pd-devel.app/ 
> Contents/Resources/
> total 152
> lrwxr-xr-x   1 hans staff     3 2010-01-05 14:27 Scripts -> bin/
> -r--r--r--   1 hans staff 47204 2008-08-14 20:03 VolumeIcon.icns
> -r--r--r--   1 hans staff   545 2008-07-21 13:53 Wish.rsrc
> lrwxr-xr-x   1 root staff    59 2010-01-05 14:32 bin -> /Users/hans/ 
> code/pure-data/branches/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/src/
> dr-xr-xr-x  13 hans staff   442 2009-12-15 08:41 doc/
> dr-xr-xr-x 180 hans staff  6120 2009-12-15 08:52 extra/
> dr-xr-xr-x   6 hans staff   204 2009-12-15 08:41 include/
> -r--r--r--   1 hans staff 42741 2008-02-14 18:14 pd-file.icns
> -r--r--r--   1 hans staff 37100 2008-02-14 18:14 pd.icns
> lrwxr-xr-x   1 root staff    58 2010-01-05 14:31 po -> /Users/hans/ 
> code/pure-data/branches/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/po/
> dr-xr-xr-x   3 hans staff   102 2009-12-15 08:41 share/
> lrwxr-xr-x   1 root staff    63 2010-01-05 14:31 startup -> /Users/ 
> hans/code/pure-data/branches/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/startup/
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> I like this way of running the newest sources from within the app  
> bundle, but I can't get it working yet.  I had to replace the  
> executable in Contents/MacOS, but then it cannot find pd-gui.tcl (I  
> removed the bin folder in the Resources directory and symlinked it  
> to the pd-gui-rewrite/src/, like you did).
>
> rich


Literally all I did was:

- download nightly Pd-devel build
- cd /path/to/Pd-devel.app/Contents/Resources
- rm -rf bin
- ln -s /path/to/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/src bin
- ln -s /path/to/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/po
- ln -s /path/to/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/startup

.hc










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>> I'll use the nightly build in the meantime and let you know what  
>> comes up.
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>> -rich
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>> On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 4:40 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner  
>> <hans at at.or.at> wrote:
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>> First off, which platform?  Is this still Mac OS X 10.6?  If so,  
>> 10.6 has a built-in custom version of Tcl/Tk 8.5.7 that uses Cocoa  
>> for the back end rather than Carbon.  Tcl/Tk 8.6 will only use this  
>> Cocoa backend, but will work on Mac OS X 10.5.  It would be good to  
>> flush out these bugs and report them to the tcl-mac list so that  
>> they can get fixed.
>>
>> One thing to try is using one of the nightly builds, which include  
>> Tcl/Tk 8.5.7/Carbon.  I think they should work on 10.6:
>> http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/latest/
>>
>> On Nov 16, 2009, at 1:55 PM, Rich E wrote:
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>> Hi List, Hans,
>>
>> I've been using the pd-gui-rewrite-0.43 svn for a couple days now  
>> and here are some notes I've taken when finding various bugs (is  
>> the better sent to the pd-dev list?):
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>> • In Audio Settings, the text in the drop down menus is hardly  
>> visible because it is very light grey
>>
>> Never seen that, screenshot?
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>> • there is a new menu item called 'apple' with "about pd" and  
>> preferences"
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>> Known issue with the Tk/Cocoa, haven't found a workaround yet.
>>
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>> • editing an object name:
>> ‣ moving with arrows adds a space to the end, but does not move  
>> within the object name
>>
>> Hmm, can't reproduce, Tk/Cocoa issue?
>>
>>
>> • opening "about pd" gives an error:
>> ‣ Error: can't read "pd_myversion": no such variable"
>> ‣ an't read "pd_myversion": no such variable
>> can't read "pd_myversion": no such variable
>>    while executing
>> "regsub -all PD_VERSION $bigstring2 $pd_myversion bigstring3"
>>    (procedure "::pd_menucommands::menu_opentext" line 15)
>>    invoked from within
>> "::pd_menucommands::menu_opentext "$dirname/$basename""
>>    (".txt" arm line 1)
>>    invoked from within
>> "switch -- [string tolower [file extension $basename]] {
>>        ".txt"    {::pd_menucommands::menu_opentext "$dirname/ 
>> $basename"
>>        } ".c"    {::..."
>>    (procedure "menu_doc_open" line 4)
>>    invoked from within
>> "menu_doc_open doc/1.manual 1.introduction.txt"
>>    (menu invoke)
>>
>> Its not implemented yet...  I was hoping to make "About Pd" a pd  
>> patch.
>>
>>
>> I have some time on my hands now that I finished my Master's, and  
>> frankly I think the pd-vanilla GUI is unpleasant, so I could learn  
>> tcl/tk and help out, if needed.
>>
>> That would be great!  Your reports have already been helpful.  I'm  
>> going to be in pretty deep this month till its finished and merged  
>> into Miller's 0.43 version.  He's been relatively scarse on the  
>> lists, but we've been working thru this stuff off-list.
>>
>> .hc
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