[PD] pd-gui-rewrite testing
Hans-Christoph Steiner
hans at at.or.at
Sun Jan 17 21:05:03 CET 2010
On Jan 17, 2010, at 3:01 PM, Rich E wrote:
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> On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 8:07 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner
> <hans at at.or.at> wrote:
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> On Jan 17, 2010, at 10:10 AM, Rich E wrote:
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>> On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 12:29 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans at at.or.at
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>> On Jan 9, 2010, at 5:37 PM, Rich E wrote:
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>>> Still in OS X 10.6. I don't have one of these problems with Pd-
>>> devel-0.43 (dec 15) nightly build, so it must all be because of
>>> the tk/cocoa version that you mention. I'm not sure how to report
>>> it a tcl mailing list, as I don't know where the code is that
>>> implements these things.
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>>> Does it make sense that the arrow keys are detected differently in
>>> Tk/Cocoa, so they are just sent to pd's gui C code as spaces?
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>> Not to me... it should be the same, that's why its worth reporting
>> to tcl-mac. You don't need to know the exact code that's causing
>> the problem. I read that list too, so I can fill in the details.
>> I just don't have access to a 10.6 machine these days.
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>>> As for the text color issue in the audio settings, you'll have to
>>> point me towards what is controlling that. I'll send you a
>>> screenshot after this email.
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>> Check out dialog_audio.tcl. Its still mostly the original code, so
>> it can be scary. ;)
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>>> Do you know how I can force configure to use Tcl/Tk 8.5.7/Carbon?
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>> If you put a version of Tcl/Tk 8.5.7/Carbon frameworks into /
>> Library/Frameworks, it should use them over the build in ones. But
>> that means using the Makefile in packages/darwin_app and running
>> "make install". For development, I just rename a nighly build as
>> "Pd-devel.app" then inside the package, remove some guts and
>> symlink it to my pd-gui-rewrite/0.43 sources:
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>> hans at palatschinken.at.or.at:src > ls -l /Applications/Pd-devel.app/
>> Contents/Resources/
>> total 152
>> lrwxr-xr-x 1 hans staff 3 2010-01-05 14:27 Scripts -> bin/
>> -r--r--r-- 1 hans staff 47204 2008-08-14 20:03 VolumeIcon.icns
>> -r--r--r-- 1 hans staff 545 2008-07-21 13:53 Wish.rsrc
>> lrwxr-xr-x 1 root staff 59 2010-01-05 14:32 bin -> /Users/hans/
>> code/pure-data/branches/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/src/
>> dr-xr-xr-x 13 hans staff 442 2009-12-15 08:41 doc/
>> dr-xr-xr-x 180 hans staff 6120 2009-12-15 08:52 extra/
>> dr-xr-xr-x 6 hans staff 204 2009-12-15 08:41 include/
>> -r--r--r-- 1 hans staff 42741 2008-02-14 18:14 pd-file.icns
>> -r--r--r-- 1 hans staff 37100 2008-02-14 18:14 pd.icns
>> lrwxr-xr-x 1 root staff 58 2010-01-05 14:31 po -> /Users/hans/
>> code/pure-data/branches/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/po/
>> dr-xr-xr-x 3 hans staff 102 2009-12-15 08:41 share/
>> lrwxr-xr-x 1 root staff 63 2010-01-05 14:31 startup -> /Users/
>> hans/code/pure-data/branches/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/startup/
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>> I like this way of running the newest sources from within the app
>> bundle, but I can't get it working yet. I had to replace the
>> executable in Contents/MacOS, but then it cannot find pd-gui.tcl (I
>> removed the bin folder in the Resources directory and symlinked it
>> to the pd-gui-rewrite/src/, like you did).
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>> rich
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> Literally all I did was:
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> - download nightly Pd-devel build
> - cd /path/to/Pd-devel.app/Contents/Resources
> - rm -rf bin
> - ln -s /path/to/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/src bin
> - ln -s /path/to/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/po
> - ln -s /path/to/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/startup
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> .hc
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> Really. I do this and the executable in the Contents/MacOS folder
> is still run and not the one in the symlinked directory. Oh well.
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Ah, ok, I understand now. The exe in Contents/MacOS is not Pd but the
Wish Shell, so you want it to run that. 'pd' resides in Contents/
Resources/bin/pd. Pd is two processes: 'pd-gui' (i.e. Wish) and
'pd' (i.e Pd ;)
.hc
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>>> I'll use the nightly build in the meantime and let you know what
>>> comes up.
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>>> -rich
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>>> On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 4:40 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans at at.or.at
>>> > wrote:
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>>> First off, which platform? Is this still Mac OS X 10.6? If so,
>>> 10.6 has a built-in custom version of Tcl/Tk 8.5.7 that uses Cocoa
>>> for the back end rather than Carbon. Tcl/Tk 8.6 will only use
>>> this Cocoa backend, but will work on Mac OS X 10.5. It would be
>>> good to flush out these bugs and report them to the tcl-mac list
>>> so that they can get fixed.
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>>> One thing to try is using one of the nightly builds, which include
>>> Tcl/Tk 8.5.7/Carbon. I think they should work on 10.6:
>>> http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/latest/
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>>> On Nov 16, 2009, at 1:55 PM, Rich E wrote:
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>>> Hi List, Hans,
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>>> I've been using the pd-gui-rewrite-0.43 svn for a couple days now
>>> and here are some notes I've taken when finding various bugs (is
>>> the better sent to the pd-dev list?):
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>>> • In Audio Settings, the text in the drop down menus is hardly
>>> visible because it is very light grey
>>>
>>> Never seen that, screenshot?
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>>> • there is a new menu item called 'apple' with "about pd" and
>>> preferences"
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>>> Known issue with the Tk/Cocoa, haven't found a workaround yet.
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>>> • editing an object name:
>>> ‣ moving with arrows adds a space to the end, but does not move
>>> within the object name
>>>
>>> Hmm, can't reproduce, Tk/Cocoa issue?
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>>> • opening "about pd" gives an error:
>>> ‣ Error: can't read "pd_myversion": no such variable"
>>> ‣ an't read "pd_myversion": no such variable
>>> can't read "pd_myversion": no such variable
>>> while executing
>>> "regsub -all PD_VERSION $bigstring2 $pd_myversion bigstring3"
>>> (procedure "::pd_menucommands::menu_opentext" line 15)
>>> invoked from within
>>> "::pd_menucommands::menu_opentext "$dirname/$basename""
>>> (".txt" arm line 1)
>>> invoked from within
>>> "switch -- [string tolower [file extension $basename]] {
>>> ".txt" {::pd_menucommands::menu_opentext "$dirname/
>>> $basename"
>>> } ".c" {::..."
>>> (procedure "menu_doc_open" line 4)
>>> invoked from within
>>> "menu_doc_open doc/1.manual 1.introduction.txt"
>>> (menu invoke)
>>>
>>> Its not implemented yet... I was hoping to make "About Pd" a pd
>>> patch.
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>>> I have some time on my hands now that I finished my Master's, and
>>> frankly I think the pd-vanilla GUI is unpleasant, so I could learn
>>> tcl/tk and help out, if needed.
>>>
>>> That would be great! Your reports have already been helpful. I'm
>>> going to be in pretty deep this month till its finished and merged
>>> into Miller's 0.43 version. He's been relatively scarse on the
>>> lists, but we've been working thru this stuff off-list.
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>>> .hc
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>>> with live coding, boring techno is much harder." - Chris McCormick
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