[PD] pd-gui-rewrite testing

Rich E rich.eakin at gmail.com
Fri Jan 22 02:33:27 CET 2010 

Does this wish shell in Contents/MacOS have the Tcl/Tk Frameworks built into
it (whether Carbon or Cocoa)?

Its working now, thanks.  Nice method, I have one symlinked to the svn
repository and one for myself to hack on.

cheers,
Rich

On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 9:05 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans at at.or.at>wrote:

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> On Jan 17, 2010, at 3:01 PM, Rich E wrote:
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> On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 8:07 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans at at.or.at>wrote:
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>> On Jan 17, 2010, at 10:10 AM, Rich E wrote:
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>> On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 12:29 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans at at.or.at>wrote:
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>>> On Jan 9, 2010, at 5:37 PM, Rich E wrote:
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>>>
>>> Still in OS X 10.6.  I don't have one of these problems with
>>> Pd-devel-0.43 (dec 15) nightly build, so it must all be because of the
>>> tk/cocoa version that you mention.  I'm not sure how to report it a tcl
>>> mailing list, as I don't know where the code is that implements these
>>> things.
>>>
>>> Does it make sense that the arrow keys are detected differently in
>>> Tk/Cocoa, so they are just sent to pd's gui C code as spaces?
>>>
>>>
>>> Not to me... it should be the same, that's why its worth reporting to
>>> tcl-mac.  You don't need to know the exact code that's causing the problem.
>>>  I read that list too, so I can fill in the details.  I just don't have
>>> access to a 10.6 machine these days.
>>>
>>> As for the text color issue in the audio settings, you'll have to point
>>> me towards what is controlling that.  I'll send you a screenshot after this
>>> email.
>>>
>>>
>>> Check out dialog_audio.tcl.  Its still mostly the original code, so it
>>> can be scary. ;)
>>>
>>> Do you know how I can force configure to use Tcl/Tk 8.5.7/Carbon?
>>>
>>>
>>> If you put a version of Tcl/Tk 8.5.7/Carbon frameworks into
>>> /Library/Frameworks, it should use them over the build in ones.  But that
>>> means using the Makefile in packages/darwin_app and running "make install".
>>>  For development, I just rename a nighly build as "Pd-devel.app" then inside
>>> the package, remove some guts and symlink it to my pd-gui-rewrite/0.43
>>> sources:
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>>> hans at palatschinken.at.or.at:src > ls -l
>>> /Applications/Pd-devel.app/Contents/Resources/
>>> total 152
>>> lrwxr-xr-x   1 hans staff     3 2010-01-05 14:27 Scripts -> bin/
>>> -r--r--r--   1 hans staff 47204 2008-08-14 20:03 VolumeIcon.icns
>>> -r--r--r--   1 hans staff   545 2008-07-21 13:53 Wish.rsrc
>>> lrwxr-xr-x   1 root staff    59 2010-01-05 14:32 bin ->
>>> /Users/hans/code/pure-data/branches/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/src/
>>> dr-xr-xr-x  13 hans staff   442 2009-12-15 08:41 doc/
>>> dr-xr-xr-x 180 hans staff  6120 2009-12-15 08:52 extra/
>>> dr-xr-xr-x   6 hans staff   204 2009-12-15 08:41 include/
>>> -r--r--r--   1 hans staff 42741 2008-02-14 18:14 pd-file.icns
>>> -r--r--r--   1 hans staff 37100 2008-02-14 18:14 pd.icns
>>> lrwxr-xr-x   1 root staff    58 2010-01-05 14:31 po ->
>>> /Users/hans/code/pure-data/branches/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/po/
>>> dr-xr-xr-x   3 hans staff   102 2009-12-15 08:41 share/
>>> lrwxr-xr-x   1 root staff    63 2010-01-05 14:31 startup ->
>>> /Users/hans/code/pure-data/branches/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/startup/
>>>
>>>
>> I like this way of running the newest sources from within the app bundle,
>> but I can't get it working yet.  I had to replace the executable in
>> Contents/MacOS, but then it cannot find pd-gui.tcl (I removed the bin folder
>> in the Resources directory and symlinked it to the pd-gui-rewrite/src/, like
>> you did).
>>
>> rich
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>> Literally all I did was:
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>> - download nightly Pd-devel build
>> - cd /path/to/Pd-devel.app/Contents/Resources
>> - rm -rf bin
>> - ln -s /path/to/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/src bin
>> - ln -s /path/to/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/po
>> - ln -s /path/to/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/startup
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>> .hc
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> Really.  I do this and the executable in the Contents/MacOS folder is still
> run and not the one in the symlinked directory.  Oh well.
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> Ah, ok, I understand now.  The exe in Contents/MacOS is not Pd but the Wish
> Shell, so you want it to run that.  'pd' resides in
> Contents/Resources/bin/pd.  Pd is two processes: 'pd-gui' (i.e. Wish) and
> 'pd' (i.e Pd ;)
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> .hc
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> Rich
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>>> .hc
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>>> I'll use the nightly build in the meantime and let you know what comes
>>> up.
>>>
>>> -rich
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 4:40 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans at at.or.at>wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> First off, which platform?  Is this still Mac OS X 10.6?  If so, 10.6
>>>> has a built-in custom version of Tcl/Tk 8.5.7 that uses Cocoa for the back
>>>> end rather than Carbon.  Tcl/Tk 8.6 will only use this Cocoa backend, but
>>>> will work on Mac OS X 10.5.  It would be good to flush out these bugs and
>>>> report them to the tcl-mac list so that they can get fixed.
>>>>
>>>> One thing to try is using one of the nightly builds, which include
>>>> Tcl/Tk 8.5.7/Carbon.  I think they should work on 10.6:
>>>> http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/latest/
>>>>
>>>>  On Nov 16, 2009, at 1:55 PM, Rich E wrote:
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>>>>  Hi List, Hans,
>>>>>
>>>>> I've been using the pd-gui-rewrite-0.43 svn for a couple days now and
>>>>> here are some notes I've taken when finding various bugs (is the better sent
>>>>> to the pd-dev list?):
>>>>>
>>>>> • In Audio Settings, the text in the drop down menus is hardly visible
>>>>> because it is very light grey
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Never seen that, screenshot?
>>>>
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>>>>  • there is a new menu item called 'apple' with "about pd" and
>>>>> preferences"
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Known issue with the Tk/Cocoa, haven't found a workaround yet.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  • editing an object name:
>>>>> ‣ moving with arrows adds a space to the end, but does not move within
>>>>> the object name
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hmm, can't reproduce, Tk/Cocoa issue?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  • opening "about pd" gives an error:
>>>>> ‣ Error: can't read "pd_myversion": no such variable"
>>>>> ‣ an't read "pd_myversion": no such variable
>>>>> can't read "pd_myversion": no such variable
>>>>>    while executing
>>>>> "regsub -all PD_VERSION $bigstring2 $pd_myversion bigstring3"
>>>>>    (procedure "::pd_menucommands::menu_opentext" line 15)
>>>>>    invoked from within
>>>>> "::pd_menucommands::menu_opentext "$dirname/$basename""
>>>>>    (".txt" arm line 1)
>>>>>    invoked from within
>>>>> "switch -- [string tolower [file extension $basename]] {
>>>>>        ".txt"    {::pd_menucommands::menu_opentext "$dirname/$basename"
>>>>>        } ".c"    {::..."
>>>>>    (procedure "menu_doc_open" line 4)
>>>>>    invoked from within
>>>>> "menu_doc_open doc/1.manual 1.introduction.txt"
>>>>>    (menu invoke)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  Its not implemented yet...  I was hoping to make "About Pd" a pd patch.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  I have some time on my hands now that I finished my Master's, and
>>>>> frankly I think the pd-vanilla GUI is unpleasant, so I could learn tcl/tk
>>>>> and help out, if needed.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That would be great!  Your reports have already been helpful.  I'm going
>>>> to be in pretty deep this month till its finished and merged into Miller's
>>>> 0.43 version.  He's been relatively scarse on the lists, but we've been
>>>> working thru this stuff off-list.
>>>>
>>>> .hc
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