[PD] pd-gui-rewrite testing
Hans-Christoph Steiner
hans at at.or.at
Fri Jan 22 04:08:36 CET 2010
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The Wish program will look thru its Frameworks search path to find the
frameworks. It something like:
- - look Contents/Frameworks
- - ~/Library/Frameworks
- - /Library/Frameworks
- - /System/Library/Frameworks
.hc
Rich E wrote:
> Does this wish shell in Contents/MacOS have the Tcl/Tk Frameworks built into
> it (whether Carbon or Cocoa)?
>
> Its working now, thanks. Nice method, I have one symlinked to the svn
> repository and one for myself to hack on.
>
> cheers,
> Rich
>
> On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 9:05 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans at at.or.at>wrote:
>
>> On Jan 17, 2010, at 3:01 PM, Rich E wrote:
>>
>>
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>> On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 8:07 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans at at.or.at>wrote:
>>
>>> On Jan 17, 2010, at 10:10 AM, Rich E wrote:
>>>
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>>> On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 12:29 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans at at.or.at>wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Jan 9, 2010, at 5:37 PM, Rich E wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Still in OS X 10.6. I don't have one of these problems with
>>>> Pd-devel-0.43 (dec 15) nightly build, so it must all be because of the
>>>> tk/cocoa version that you mention. I'm not sure how to report it a tcl
>>>> mailing list, as I don't know where the code is that implements these
>>>> things.
>>>>
>>>> Does it make sense that the arrow keys are detected differently in
>>>> Tk/Cocoa, so they are just sent to pd's gui C code as spaces?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Not to me... it should be the same, that's why its worth reporting to
>>>> tcl-mac. You don't need to know the exact code that's causing the problem.
>>>> I read that list too, so I can fill in the details. I just don't have
>>>> access to a 10.6 machine these days.
>>>>
>>>> As for the text color issue in the audio settings, you'll have to point
>>>> me towards what is controlling that. I'll send you a screenshot after this
>>>> email.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Check out dialog_audio.tcl. Its still mostly the original code, so it
>>>> can be scary. ;)
>>>>
>>>> Do you know how I can force configure to use Tcl/Tk 8.5.7/Carbon?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If you put a version of Tcl/Tk 8.5.7/Carbon frameworks into
>>>> /Library/Frameworks, it should use them over the build in ones. But that
>>>> means using the Makefile in packages/darwin_app and running "make install".
>>>> For development, I just rename a nighly build as "Pd-devel.app" then inside
>>>> the package, remove some guts and symlink it to my pd-gui-rewrite/0.43
>>>> sources:
>>>>
>>>> hans at palatschinken.at.or.at:src > ls -l
>>>> /Applications/Pd-devel.app/Contents/Resources/
>>>> total 152
>>>> lrwxr-xr-x 1 hans staff 3 2010-01-05 14:27 Scripts -> bin/
>>>> -r--r--r-- 1 hans staff 47204 2008-08-14 20:03 VolumeIcon.icns
>>>> -r--r--r-- 1 hans staff 545 2008-07-21 13:53 Wish.rsrc
>>>> lrwxr-xr-x 1 root staff 59 2010-01-05 14:32 bin ->
>>>> /Users/hans/code/pure-data/branches/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/src/
>>>> dr-xr-xr-x 13 hans staff 442 2009-12-15 08:41 doc/
>>>> dr-xr-xr-x 180 hans staff 6120 2009-12-15 08:52 extra/
>>>> dr-xr-xr-x 6 hans staff 204 2009-12-15 08:41 include/
>>>> -r--r--r-- 1 hans staff 42741 2008-02-14 18:14 pd-file.icns
>>>> -r--r--r-- 1 hans staff 37100 2008-02-14 18:14 pd.icns
>>>> lrwxr-xr-x 1 root staff 58 2010-01-05 14:31 po ->
>>>> /Users/hans/code/pure-data/branches/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/po/
>>>> dr-xr-xr-x 3 hans staff 102 2009-12-15 08:41 share/
>>>> lrwxr-xr-x 1 root staff 63 2010-01-05 14:31 startup ->
>>>> /Users/hans/code/pure-data/branches/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/startup/
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I like this way of running the newest sources from within the app bundle,
>>> but I can't get it working yet. I had to replace the executable in
>>> Contents/MacOS, but then it cannot find pd-gui.tcl (I removed the bin folder
>>> in the Resources directory and symlinked it to the pd-gui-rewrite/src/, like
>>> you did).
>>>
>>> rich
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Literally all I did was:
>>>
>>> - download nightly Pd-devel build
>>> - cd /path/to/Pd-devel.app/Contents/Resources
>>> - rm -rf bin
>>> - ln -s /path/to/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/src bin
>>> - ln -s /path/to/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/po
>>> - ln -s /path/to/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/startup
>>>
>>> .hc
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Really. I do this and the executable in the Contents/MacOS folder is still
>> run and not the one in the symlinked directory. Oh well.
>>
>>
>> Ah, ok, I understand now. The exe in Contents/MacOS is not Pd but the Wish
>> Shell, so you want it to run that. 'pd' resides in
>> Contents/Resources/bin/pd. Pd is two processes: 'pd-gui' (i.e. Wish) and
>> 'pd' (i.e Pd ;)
>>
>> .hc
>>
>>
>> Rich
>>
>>
>>
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>>>> .hc
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'll use the nightly build in the meantime and let you know what comes
>>>> up.
>>>>
>>>> -rich
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 4:40 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans at at.or.at>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> First off, which platform? Is this still Mac OS X 10.6? If so, 10.6
>>>>> has a built-in custom version of Tcl/Tk 8.5.7 that uses Cocoa for the back
>>>>> end rather than Carbon. Tcl/Tk 8.6 will only use this Cocoa backend, but
>>>>> will work on Mac OS X 10.5. It would be good to flush out these bugs and
>>>>> report them to the tcl-mac list so that they can get fixed.
>>>>>
>>>>> One thing to try is using one of the nightly builds, which include
>>>>> Tcl/Tk 8.5.7/Carbon. I think they should work on 10.6:
>>>>> http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/latest/
>>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 16, 2009, at 1:55 PM, Rich E wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi List, Hans,
>>>>>> I've been using the pd-gui-rewrite-0.43 svn for a couple days now and
>>>>>> here are some notes I've taken when finding various bugs (is the better sent
>>>>>> to the pd-dev list?):
>>>>>>
>>>>>> • In Audio Settings, the text in the drop down menus is hardly visible
>>>>>> because it is very light grey
>>>>>>
>>>>> Never seen that, screenshot?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> • there is a new menu item called 'apple' with "about pd" and
>>>>>> preferences"
>>>>>>
>>>>> Known issue with the Tk/Cocoa, haven't found a workaround yet.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> • editing an object name:
>>>>>> ‣ moving with arrows adds a space to the end, but does not move within
>>>>>> the object name
>>>>>>
>>>>> Hmm, can't reproduce, Tk/Cocoa issue?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> • opening "about pd" gives an error:
>>>>>> ‣ Error: can't read "pd_myversion": no such variable"
>>>>>> ‣ an't read "pd_myversion": no such variable
>>>>>> can't read "pd_myversion": no such variable
>>>>>> while executing
>>>>>> "regsub -all PD_VERSION $bigstring2 $pd_myversion bigstring3"
>>>>>> (procedure "::pd_menucommands::menu_opentext" line 15)
>>>>>> invoked from within
>>>>>> "::pd_menucommands::menu_opentext "$dirname/$basename""
>>>>>> (".txt" arm line 1)
>>>>>> invoked from within
>>>>>> "switch -- [string tolower [file extension $basename]] {
>>>>>> ".txt" {::pd_menucommands::menu_opentext "$dirname/$basename"
>>>>>> } ".c" {::..."
>>>>>> (procedure "menu_doc_open" line 4)
>>>>>> invoked from within
>>>>>> "menu_doc_open doc/1.manual 1.introduction.txt"
>>>>>> (menu invoke)
>>>>>>
>>>>> Its not implemented yet... I was hoping to make "About Pd" a pd patch.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I have some time on my hands now that I finished my Master's, and
>>>>>> frankly I think the pd-vanilla GUI is unpleasant, so I could learn tcl/tk
>>>>>> and help out, if needed.
>>>>>>
>>>>> That would be great! Your reports have already been helpful. I'm going
>>>>> to be in pretty deep this month till its finished and merged into Miller's
>>>>> 0.43 version. He's been relatively scarse on the lists, but we've been
>>>>> working thru this stuff off-list.
>>>>>
>>>>> .hc
>>>>>
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