[PD] Pd, Max/Msp, Reaktor, Plogue Bidule... How do these compare?

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>   1. Re: Pd, Max/Msp, Reaktor, Plogue Bidule... How do these
>      compare? (Jonathan Wilkes)
>   2. Re: video of Pd Workshop for 11 year olds
>      (errordeveloper at gmail.com)
>   3. Re: mp3cast~ on ubuntu 9.10 crash pd (IOhannes m zmoelnig)
>   4. Re: video of Pd Workshop for 11 year olds (Lorenzo)
>   5. Re: video of Pd Workshop for 11 year olds (Andrew Faraday)
>   6. Pd, Max/Msp, Reaktor, Plogue Bidule... How do these compare?
>      (saint)
>   7. Re: video of Pd Workshop for 11 year olds (Pedro Oliveira)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 19:26:42 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Jonathan Wilkes <jancsika at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [PD] Pd, Max/Msp, Reaktor, Plogue Bidule... How do these
>        compare?
> To: quietdidit at gmail.com, Marco Donnarumma <devel at thesaddj.com>
> Cc: pd-list at iem.at
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> --- On Wed, 3/17/10, Marco Donnarumma <devel at thesaddj.com> wrote:
>
> From: Marco Donnarumma <devel at thesaddj.com>
> Subject: Re: [PD] Pd, Max/Msp, Reaktor, Plogue Bidule... How do these
> compare?
> To: quietdidit at gmail.com
> Cc: pd-list at iem.at
> Date: Wednesday, March 17, 2010, 11:16 AM
>
> >As many other said before, I personally think there is nothing to
> >compare. All of them are quite separate environments, and i mean not only
> >computing capabilities, flexibility and GUI, but above all each community
> >supporting the projects.
>
> >"this" is not better than "that", it's only about what fit best your
> >needs.
> >So first point out which are exactly your needs. Learning Pd can be
> >difficult and exhausting in the beg, but once you get familiar with it, I
> >can assure you it's only pleasure. And there is a world of things you
> >can't do with any other software. But you have to find out what.
>
> Hi Marco,
>     What do you think makes learning Pd difficult and exhausting in the
> beginning?  Is it just a general learning curve, or are there speficic
> issues you think could be improved for the future?
>
> -Jonathan
>
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 04:38:37 +0000
> From: errordeveloper at gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [PD] video of Pd Workshop for 11 year olds
> To: pd-list at iem.at
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> Hans, that's excellent!
>
> i was quite curious how kids could react to pd ..
> hm ..i'd love to do some pd tutorials one day, and yeah i was thinking
> about kids as well!
>
> the only thing is that i couldn't check the video -
> i still don't have sound working in flash with my soundcard setup ;(
>
> may be you have the video somewhere else?
> abby/cclive doesn't support blip.tv and i tried videosnag.com ..but it
> didn't do anything ..
>
> On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 01:56:00PM -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
> >
> > Here's a video of a Pd workshop I taught with 11 year old kids in New
> York.
> >  It was amazing how they picked it up and had so little fear to
> experiment:
> >
> >
> http://eyebeam.org/press/media/videos/an-introduction-to-electronic-soundscape-design
> >
> > .hc
> >
> >
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Looking at things from a more basic level, you can come up with a more
> > direct solution... It may sound small in theory, but it in practice, it
> can
> > change entire economies.     - Amy Smith
> >
> >
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 09:22:05 +0100
> From: IOhannes m zmoelnig <zmoelnig at iem.at>
> Subject: Re: [PD] mp3cast~ on ubuntu 9.10 crash pd
> To: Nicolas Montgermont <nicolas_montgermont at yahoo.fr>
> Cc: pd-list <pd-list at iem.at>
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> On 2010-03-17 20:53, Nicolas Montgermont wrote:
> > I tried to compile it from the svn.
> > I manage to build the pd_linux (removing the -Werror flag) but the
> > object is still crashing pd when connecting to the server...
> > here is the log of the compilation, does anyone got an idea?
> > thanks in advance:
>
> could you try to produce a run it in a debugger (gdb), and broduce a
> backtrace, like:
>
> $ gdb pd -stderr mp3cast~-test.pd
> (gdb) run
> ...
> (gdb) backtrace
> ...
>
>
>
> fgmasdr
> IOhannes
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> Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 09:48:22 +0100
> From: Lorenzo <lsutton at libero.it>
> Subject: Re: [PD] video of Pd Workshop for 11 year olds
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> > Here's a video of a Pd workshop I taught with 11 year old kids in New
> > York.  It was amazing how they picked it up and had so little fear to
> > experiment:
> >
> >
> http://eyebeam.org/press/media/videos/an-introduction-to-electronic-soundscape-design
> >
> >
> > .hc
>
> Nice job.
> Lorenzo
> PS: One mac per student: lucky kids :)
>
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> Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 09:18:52 +0000
> From: Andrew Faraday <jbturgid at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [PD] video of Pd Workshop for 11 year olds
> To: <hans at at.or.at>, <pd-list at iem.kug.ac.at>
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> Great to see this! I do a lot of my workshop teaching from a very basic,
> ground-up level. It's good to see that you can bring PD to that young an
> audience. Just curious, how long was this workshop overall?
>
> > From: hans at at.or.at
> > To: pd-list at iem.kug.ac.at
> > Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 13:56:00 -0400
> > Subject: [PD] video of Pd Workshop for 11 year olds
> >
> >
> > Here's a video of a Pd workshop I taught with 11 year old kids in New
> > York.  It was amazing how they picked it up and had so little fear to
> > experiment:
> >
> >
> http://eyebeam.org/press/media/videos/an-introduction-to-electronic-soundscape-design
> >
> > .hc
> >
> >
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Looking at things from a more basic level, you can come up with a more
> > direct solution... It may sound small in theory, but it in practice,
> > it can change entire economies.     - Amy Smith
> >
> >
> >
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> Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 03:02:03 -0700 (PDT)
> From: saint <saintidle at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [PD] Pd, Max/Msp, Reaktor, Plogue Bidule... How do these
>        compare?
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> I do think that a big snag in the learning curve for some people is the
> initial provision of only very basic building blocks.
>
> You pretty much have to download Pd and then get Miller's book (what I did)
> or FLOSS Manual/Andy Farnell's etc. (God I really want Andy's book! Broke
> atm!) and then devote a good few hours into getting off the ground.
>
> What should really be implemented (I've seen some screenshots for the next
> release yes??) is the right-click style access to a menu organised into say,
> primitive objects, medium and high-level abstractions.
>
> Initial users, say the casual VST synth Mike or Michelle, just want to...
> 1. Crack open a subractive synth. Play it. (High level).
> 2. Then dismantle it, see how it works and maybe make their own modular
> noise spewers from pre-formed building blocks. (Medium level).
> 3. Build their own building blocks to suit their own desire/dream/whim etc.
> (Low level)
>
> Which is what Reaktor has. (Does the newer bubbly Max have that too?). So I
> can see the original poster's point.
>
>
> Don't get me wrong, I love Pd (I'm here aren't I??!). But I also can't wait
> for it to evolve into a more user friendly and intuitive program (not at the
> expense of it's simplicity though!). There'll be more of us here then.
>
> Or do we want to be like the Fixed-gear Cyclists? All exclusive and
> haircutty??! "Well, I was using Pure Data waaaay before it could emit a
> speaker beep..."
>
>
> John.
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> Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 11:30:17 +0100
> From: Pedro Oliveira <pedroliveira at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [PD] video of Pd Workshop for 11 year olds
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> This is amazing. I would love to do the same, and I mean: learning Puredata
> since I was a kid and/or having the opportunity to teach such young minds
> the power of Pd. Inspiring.
>
> Way to go!
>
> On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 10:18 AM, Andrew Faraday <jbturgid at hotmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> >  Great to see this! I do a lot of my workshop teaching from a very basic,
> > ground-up level. It's good to see that you can bring PD to that young an
> > audience. Just curious, how long was this workshop overall?
> >
> > > From: hans at at.or.at
> > > To: pd-list at iem.kug.ac.at
> > > Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 13:56:00 -0400
> > > Subject: [PD] video of Pd Workshop for 11 year olds
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Here's a video of a Pd workshop I taught with 11 year old kids in New
> > > York. It was amazing how they picked it up and had so little fear to
> > > experiment:
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://eyebeam.org/press/media/videos/an-introduction-to-electronic-soundscape-design
> > >
> > > .hc
> > >
> > >
> >
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Looking at things from a more basic level, you can come up with a more
> > > direct solution... It may sound small in theory, but it in practice,
> > > it can change entire economies. - Amy Smith
> > >
> > >
> > >
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