[PD] Gigs with Pd
Alexandre Porres
porres at gmail.com
Mon May 3 07:30:39 CEST 2010
hey pierre, what kind of patches do you use?
would you mind sharing? :)
cheers
Hello everyone!
>
> There was a discussion not too long ago about suitability of Pd in a live
> context (off the "smoother audio" thread i think). I just wanted to say
> that
> i use Pd everytime i play a gig with my band as a super multi effects. I
> have never experienced any crash in Pd, and the sound is just excellent,
> and
> everybody keeps asking me what the hell are these pedals and this software
> and how the eff do i make all these sounds, and well, i just think this is
> the future. I m just hoping that sometime soon we'll have a piece of
> hardware that's small and powerful enough to run Pd in realtime and I'll
> have the perfect gear (perfect for me).
> Just wanted to share this.
>
> Cheers!
>
> Pierre
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> From: Andr?s Mur?nyi <muranyia at gmail.com>
> Subject: [PD] Ever divorce from Tcl/Tk? (Was Re: puredata_gui_design)
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> 2010/4/17 Mathieu Bouchard <matju at artengine.ca>
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> > On Fri, 16 Apr 2010, Andr?s Mur?nyi wrote:
> >
> > One (hard) aspect of GUI design in case of Pd is that the GUI widgets
> are
> >> provided by Tcl/Tk at the moment, which does not allow for such kind of
> >> skinning, afaik.
> >>
> >
> > Tcl/Tk up to 8.4 allow some amount of configuration... at least much more
> > than has ever been used by anyone in pd.tk.
> >
> > Tcl/Tk introduced the TkTile toolkit, for which I've heard that the big
> new
> > feature is that you can skin it. I haven't tried it myself. Meanwhile,
> I'm
> > using Pd-Extended with Tcl/Tk 8.5 while, officially, this very same
> version
> > of Pd-Extended is said to "not support" Tcl/Tk 8.5. On top of that,
> Miller
> > still wants to support Tcl/Tk 8.3 for some upcoming releases, and such
> > things that were already becoming obsolete in 2003.
> >
> >
> > There has been talk, however, about migrating to another GUI toolkit.
> >>
> >
> > Talk, talk, talk, it's only talk.
> > Arguments, babble, bicker bicker bicker, brouhaha, it's only talk.
> >
> >
> Well, lets be happy we have this wonderful ability to articulate words...
> ;o)
> As it has been mentioned, "anyone" can start porting Pd to another toolkit.
> The question for me here is, if Miller, Hans, and other core people are
> interested in leaving Tcl/Tk behind, and if yes, how soon?
>
> Andras
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> Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 17:21:15 +0100
> From: Pedro Lopes <pedro.lopes at ist.utl.pt>
> Subject: Re: [PD] Gigs with Pd
> To: Pierre Massat <pimassat at gmail.com>
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> >I m just hoping that sometime soon we'll have a piece of hardware >that's
> small and powerful enough to run Pd in realtime and I'll have >the perfect
> gear (perfect for me).
>
>
> http://www.bluemelon.org/index.php/Products/BM7505_BluePD_programmable_Pure_Data_router
>
> Never tried it though... seems interesting.
>
>
> On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 1:37 PM, Pierre Massat <pimassat at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hello everyone!
> >
> > There was a discussion not too long ago about suitability of Pd in a live
> > context (off the "smoother audio" thread i think). I just wanted to say
> that
> > i use Pd everytime i play a gig with my band as a super multi effects. I
> > have never experienced any crash in Pd, and the sound is just excellent,
> and
> > everybody keeps asking me what the hell are these pedals and this
> software
> > and how the eff do i make all these sounds, and well, i just think this
> is
> > the future. I m just hoping that sometime soon we'll have a piece of
> > hardware that's small and powerful enough to run Pd in realtime and I'll
> > have the perfect gear (perfect for me).
> > Just wanted to share this.
> >
> > Cheers!
> >
> > Pierre
> >
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> --
> Pedro Lopes
> contacto: jazz at radiozero.pt
> website: http://web.ist.utl.pt/Pedro.Lopes
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> Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 13:12:07 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Mathieu Bouchard <matju at artengine.ca>
> Subject: Re: [PD] Gigs with Pd
> To: Pedro Lopes <pedro.lopes at ist.utl.pt>
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> On Sun, 2 May 2010, Pedro Lopes wrote:
>
> > >I m just hoping that sometime soon we'll have a piece of hardware
> >that's small and powerful enough to run Pd in realtime and I'll have >the
> perfect
> > gear (perfect for me).
> >
> http://www.bluemelon.org/index.php/Products/BM7505_BluePD_programmable_Pure_Data_router
> > Never tried it though... seems interesting.
>
> See also homemade http://www.workinprogress.ca/biscuit-box-computer/
> by Patrick S Coulombe.
>
> _ _ __ ___ _____ ________ _____________ _____________________ ...
> | Mathieu Bouchard, Montr?al, Qu?bec. t?l?phone: +1.514.383.3801
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 13:34:32 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Mathieu Bouchard <matju at artengine.ca>
> Subject: Re: [PD] Ever divorce from Tcl/Tk? (Was Re:
> puredata_gui_design)
> To: Andr?s Mur?nyi <muranyia at gmail.com>
> Cc: PD List <pd-list at iem.at>
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> On Sun, 2 May 2010, Andr?s Mur?nyi wrote:
>
> > As it has been mentioned, "anyone" can start porting Pd to another
> > toolkit.
>
> Why would you care, that an unspecified person said "anyone" "can" do
> "whatever" on pd-list ? It isn't a sign of anything. Why don't you instead
> think about why the project really matters, and about what is needed to
> succeed at the task ?
>
> > The question for me here is, if Miller, Hans, and other core people are
> > interested in leaving Tcl/Tk behind, and if yes, how soon?
>
> If anyone cared, there would be a prototype already.
>
> _ _ __ ___ _____ ________ _____________ _____________________ ...
> | Mathieu Bouchard, Montr?al, Qu?bec. t?l?phone: +1.514.383.3801
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> Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 18:53:59 +0100
> From: Florian Hollerweger <flo at mur.at>
> Subject: [PD] Errors after renaming patch with exotic chars in
> filename
> To: Pd list <pd-list at iem.at>
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> Dear list,
>
> In the project I am working on, I used two have two abstractions with
> exotic characters in their filenames:
>
> [time<]
> [<=>]
>
> After renaming those to something more sensible, I get the following
> error messages when I open these abstractions from their "parent" patch
> (i.e. the patch which uses them as abstractions) and then try to edit
> and save them:
>
> error: .xa98a600: no such object
> error: .xa9aef98: no such object
> error: .xaa2f3d8: no such object
> [...]
>
> I assume there is some sort of "invisible leftover" of the old filenames
> in the "parent" patch. Any ideas what would be the fastest way to get
> rid of this? I already tried copying & pasting both abstractions
> themselves and the "parent" patch to a new file, but that didn't help.
> Having said that, there are some dependencies in between (abstractions
> in the "parent" patch which call those two abstractions), which I did
> not copy and paste to to new files, so maybe the culprit is there?
>
> best,
> flo.
>
>
>
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> Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 20:47:32 +0200
> From: Andr?s Mur?nyi <muranyia at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [PD] Ever divorce from Tcl/Tk? (Was Re:
> puredata_gui_design)
> To: PD List <pd-list at iem.at>
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> <p2g23cdbfeb1005021147r2a43cf4fw4a3ff92f59b30fe9 at mail.gmail.com>
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> 2010/5/2 Mathieu Bouchard <matju at artengine.ca>
>
> > On Sun, 2 May 2010, Andr?s Mur?nyi wrote:
> >
> > As it has been mentioned, "anyone" can start porting Pd to another
> >> toolkit.
> >>
> >
> > Why would you care, that an unspecified person said "anyone" "can" do
> > "whatever" on pd-list ? It isn't a sign of anything. Why don't you
> instead
> > think about why the project really matters, and about what is needed to
> > succeed at the task ?
> >
>
> I was implicitly ironic, based on our shared knowledge of more floating
> ideas than actual projects.
> I do think about why the project really matters. ;o) I think Pd shall get a
> proper language-independent API.
>
> If you want to know why I don't start this project up myself, no it's not
> shyness or learned helplessness but the mere fact that i'm doing two jobs
> to
> survive and have no joules left for this. My bad.
>
> The question for me here is, if Miller, Hans, and other core people are
> > interested in leaving Tcl/Tk behind, and if yes, how soon?
> >
>
> If anyone cared, there would be a prototype already.
> >
>
> Well, i just imagine it is not easy to have one's 'child' undergo such a
> severe operation, so one might not make up a decision or even publicly
> address the question so easily.
>
> Andras
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