[PD] plugin~ external
pedro.lopes at ist.utl.pt
Sun Jun 13 22:50:43 CEST 2010
F.Z.? Could it be Zappa? He joked with almost everything :D
On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 9:46 PM, Jonathan Wilkes <jancsika at yahoo.com> wrote:
> *From:* patko <colet.patrice at free.fr>
> *To:* Jonathan Wilkes <jancsika at yahoo.com>
> *Cc:* pd-list <pd-list at iem.at>
> *Sent:* Sun, June 13, 2010 10:33:59 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [PD] plugin~ external
> >----- "Jonathan Wilkes" <jancsika at yahoo.com> a écrit :
> >> There are "naughty" pieces by Mozart that have survived the ages,
> >> regardless of past Mozart scholars who
> >> have excluded them from their catalogues of the "complete" works of
> >> Mozart. It may have been ignored for a
> >> bit, but the cult of genius generally trumps the opportunistic desire
> >> to destroy art.
> >We know Mozart because he has his pretty face on candy boxes, like F.Z.
> used to joke.
> Who is F.Z.?
> What you're saying is nonsense-- I know who C.P.E. Bach is, and there are
> chocolates that bear his name. And I wouldn't talk about his music any
> differently or
> play it less if someone commercialized his persona.
> >> Anyway, your point that "it's not art anymore, art IS killed" is
> >> clearly false. Imagine a tyrant who declares that
> >> the only suitable music is a) by Beethoven and b) in C minor. It's
> >> certainly a travesty that anything
> >> by Haydn or David Bowie would be banned, as well as Beethoven's 6th
> >> Symphony, but it surely remains a fact
> >> that Beethoven's 5th is still a great symphony, regardless of the
> >> tyrant's endorsement.
> >> There are plenty of pieces of music that sell very well in times of
> >> nationalist fervor, or in general. But it's sheer
> >> confusion to say that these pieces _aren't_ art for that reason.
> >> That's misdirected anger; the real problem is
> >> that other pieces are excluded because they either don't fit easily
> >> into a category, or they present an alternative
> >> viewpoint that sits uncomfortably with general opinion (i.e.,
> >> dissident music).
> >> -Jonathan
> >The problem is really actual, because it's related with this
> post-industrial period,
> >where almost anything could falsified, or duplicated, where the main
> >is about brain eating with a perpetual flow of those
> >informations through almost all media, also used by "dissident people",
> >who actually would be represented by rappers, or DJ's.
> I don't know why all rappers/DJs would be dissidents. I mean dissidents in
> a more
> specific sense-- people whose music is excluded from discourse because of
> political/commercial/cultural pressure. Say, Rage Against the Machine
> after 9-11,
> when Clear Channel stopped playing their music, as well as any other
> artists who
> were considered anti-establishment (there's probably a list somewhere on
> the web
> of these artists).
> >Here we have a kind of example of the musical continuity imaginated by E.
> >where the musicians are removed to give the auditor always the same
> >It's just a matter of time for anything individually created to be
> completely removed
> >from the mainstream, and replaced by a logo, a lobby, a brain firmware.
> That's a sweeping statement. What does is mean? Are all the Mozart scores
> in the
> IMSLP going to be replaced by logos?
> Btw- logos are typically created individually by a graphic artist taking
> direction from
> people who generally know very little about how to make a logo. Probably
> not so
> different from the people who paid Mozart to write a divertimento. :)
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