[PD] Font weirdness with 0.43test

Hans-Christoph Steiner hans at at.or.at
Wed Aug 25 18:15:11 CEST 2010

I think the real solution to this would be one step deeper.  If Pd  
used Tcl to handle the GUI interaction, then we could use the Tk  
scaling feature, which is what Tk does to handle cross-platform  
differences in font rendering.  Pd could then store the Tk scaling  
number in the patch, and use it to scale internal copies of pixel  
values, when necessary. Then we could have the best of both worlds.  
This would also give us the ability to zoom/scale patches for free.

This is not as hard as it might seem, I believe DesireData has this  
working.  I think this would also be quite clean and actually simplify  
Pd's code rather than adding more complexity by tracking both when  
fonts should fit to the box size and when the box size should fit to  
the font.

I'll take a look at the big text block clicking issue now.  Do you  
have an example patch?


On Aug 24, 2010, at 4:38 PM, Miller Puckette wrote:

> Long as there's a way to fix a problem I'm having:  in message boxes  
> with
> many lines of text, you can easily click on one character and select  
> one above
> it... it gets very confusing.  (Fedora 13 out-of-box).
> I'm guessing that in the current version the GUI simply tells Pd  
> what size
> the font ought to have had instead of the genuine one.  Pd could  
> easily
> expand the box to the ought-to size (at least optionally for those  
> wishing
> to make cross-platform patches) but should know about the text's  
> actual size
> anyway.  To be continued...
> cheers
> Miller
> On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 01:21:08AM -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner  
> wrote:
>> On Aug 23, 2010, at 7:01 AM, Frank Barknecht wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 01:39:08PM -0400, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
>>>> BTW I've been using Pd-Extended's Linux/OSX default font size as  
>>>> the
>>>> basis for all my patches for making my last 400 patches or so.
>>> I've used Pd vanilla for all my patches so far, with a "10" font- 
>>> size,
>>> whatever that is in pixels. I know, that Pd-extended uses some
>>> different
>>> layout for several years now, which makes patches look wrong when  
>>> you
>>> load them in Pd vanilla and the other way around. I have not much
>>> interest to discuss the differences between vanilla and Pd-x, as I  
>>> am
>>> hoping the two to unify again with the gui-rewrite. So I'm willing  
>>> to
>>> change my preferences to whatever will be the new vanilla, but I'd
>>> prefer to not do again that with every release or with every new
>>> Courier-like font that pops up on the Internets' Top 10 console font
>>> lists and is so much better than the previous ones.
>> Unless Miller changes it in the future, Pd 0.43 should have the same
>> boxes sizes that Pd-extended has had for a couple versions.  That
>> was one of my goals with the GUI rewrite.  Its a bug if that's not
>> the case.
>> .hc
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