[PD] Hi, new user. Question about max/msp and PD

[Jonathan Wilkes]

--- On Mon, 9/13/10, Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans at at.or.at> wrote:

> From: Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans at at.or.at>
> Subject: Re: [PD] Hi, new user. Question about max/msp and PD
> To: "Jonathan Wilkes" <jancsika at yahoo.com>
> Cc: "Frank Barknecht" <fbar at footils.org>, "Mathieu Bouchard" <matju at artengine.ca>, pd-list at iem.at
> Date: Monday, September 13, 2010, 11:46 PM
> On Mon, 2010-09-13 at 09:46 -0700,
> Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
> > 
> > --- On Mon, 9/13/10, Mathieu Bouchard <matju at artengine.ca>
> wrote:
> > 
> > > From: Mathieu Bouchard <matju at artengine.ca>
> > > Subject: Re: [PD] Hi, new user. Question about
> max/msp and PD
> > > To: "Frank Barknecht" <fbar at footils.org>
> > > Cc: pd-list at iem.at
> > > Date: Monday, September 13, 2010, 5:19 PM
> > > On Mon, 13 Sep 2010, Frank Barknecht
> > > wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Oh, and instead of [transport] just use a
> metro with a
> > > counter sending to some global receiver. Read
> from this with
> > > [select] to get a kind of Max-5's [timepoint]
> clone. See,
> > > there's no magic behind these new Max 5 features,
> they just
> > > unified a bit what all Max/Pd users do anyway in
> their
> > > patches.
> > > 
> > > It's also that it's more marketable if they add
> rather
> > > trivial features just so that they can say «Max
> 5 has more
> > > features about time scale !». It's easier than
> to explain
> > > to them that Max doesn't need those features.
> > 
> > Better object documentation in Pd is a trivial feature
> in this sense-- 
> > it's easier for you to spend your time documenting GF
> objects than 
> > to explain how to read the source code.  (See,
> there's no magic behind 
> > those GF objects!)
> > 
> > Also, it's more marketable if Max has an object like
> [textedit] where 
> > the user can type multi-line text into a box. 
> It's easier than 
> > picking through the Toxy graveyard and learning that
> you can't send 
> > messages to the widget unless its containing canvas is
> visible, then 
> > trying to work with [entry] and having the data you
> typed in the 
> > box disappear because you minimized the window. 
> Then realizing that the 
> > whole reason you're looking for an object that
> corresponds to [textedit] 
> > is because you can't resize message boxes (and they
> don't appear on a gop canvas).
> > 
> > -Jonathan
> 
> You could try tkwidgets/text.  I really should finish
> that library.  Its
> close to done, and it'll probably a suite of nice GUI
> objects, including
> something like textedit.
> 
> .hc
> 
> 

That sounds cool.

Hm, I was reading through the sourcerepositories page on 
puredata.info, and I'm not sure how I'd go about trying those 
objects out.  Do I need to compile pd-extended from svn, or is 
there a way to just compile that library and use it with the 
nightly build?  (I tried make in tkwidgets/ but got the "no rule 
to make target" error.)

-Jonathan