[PD] "I'm on unix, I'm much better than windows users!" (was Pd-extended 0.42.5 release candidate 6 released!)

[Ed Kelly]

There is nothing wrong with using PD on Windows.

There is nothing wrong implicitly with Windows. I should know, I use Windows for 
certain things, and I use Linux for other things.


I don't think there is a prejudice in the list. I'm quite happy to answer 
questions about Windows versions etc - we all are.

Pure Data is great in every platform. The reasons I use the Linux are my 
reasons, and if you need it you will discover it, but that does not diminish you 
as a PD user.

The list has become very heated tonight. Perhaps some of this is my fault, in 
which case I apologise. I hope that every user of PD reaches a point of 
satisfaction with his or her work. I am certainly seeking this. We all surprise 
each other. Long may we continue to do so.

Goodnight,
Ed Kelly
Metastudio 4 for Pure Data - coming soon!!



----- Original Message ----
From: João Pais <jmmmpais at googlemail.com>
To: George Ker <geokeratz at gmail.com>
Cc: pd-list <pd-list at iem.at>
Sent: Fri, 17 September, 2010 23:30:53
Subject: [PD] "I'm on unix, I'm much better than windows users!" (was 
Pd-extended 0.42.5 release candidate 6 released!)

> Hi, I' m not a PD advanced user but here is my story:
> I think the dilemma is "Do we need more users for PD (and make it work
> perfectly in Windows too) or we need to aim the PD development for Linux/
> Mac users (and don't waste our "limited resources")?"
> 
> *Well , I have seen on youtube etc people using windows and they are experts
> of PureData* but how many are they really?
> One of the reasons I chose to run GNU-Linux on my previous setup (besides
> the xp partition) are things you can have in it. And yes, PD was one of my
> major reasons! I unfortunately had then to buy a Mac because of the support
> of audio applications generally.
> 
> Ok , most of people using a computer have Windows on their setup and in
> countries like Greece ... you have to even use it in your university.
> BUT: Do really people care about programs like PD or the ideology/democratic
> openess behind GNU-Linux when they use windows? Most of us had the first
> choice for our system of windows and we MOVED when we saw what we can and we
> cannot do in it.
> 
> So, my opinion is to just be more consentrated on Mac/GNU-Linux support.
> There are not too many people who will really have the interest to learn Pd
> in depth and then browsing with IE7 their Facebook accounts.
> 
> I honestly don't want to make Pd/Win users feel stupid.

No, but you just said something like "pd is too valuable for windows, these guys 
can't appreciate the beauty of it, and they just want to be fed whatever the big 
bo$$ puts in their mouths", and advocate to stop maintaining Pd for windows. And 
curiously, at the same time you said GNU-Linux is so great, you moved out of it 
to Mac - where you have to pay double the amount for the hardware, and the 
manufacturer even goes to the trouble of making sure every laptop model has a 
different electricity cable, so that you have to spend more money you case you 
loose it. And you're worried about people not following ideology?

I'm a windows user, I don't know if I'm an "advanced pd user" (or what that is), 
but I've been using pd only for several years, have done my contributions to 
pd-ext (extra/jmmmp and donations in $), have patches for people to download if 
they want to, taken and given Pd workshops, was present in the Floss session, 
have worked on documentation, and partly organise the pd berlin users meeting. 
So, I don't appreciate when people judge windows users as idiots which don't 
know better, because I am one. At least I don't call mac users a bunch of 
preformatted hipsters who stand for hours in line to be the first to buy 
whatever crap Jobs launches on the market.

By the way, I don't use IE7, I use Opera for 10 years now (which I configured to 
acess my accounts and mails from both windows and ubuntu). I have a facebook 
account, which I use to see how other people are doing - including some of the 
most advanced pd users present on this list, they post more on it than I do.

If you want to advocate segregation go ahead, but be honest about it. After all 
you use unix, you have the moral advantage (or you like to say you do).

João Pais

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