[PD] "I'm on unix, I'm much better than windows users!" (was Pd-extended 0.42.5 release candidate 6 released!)

[George Ker]

Well, let me be more clear. The last thing I wanted to be is offensive.

 >you advocate to stop maintaining Pd for windows

No I don't. I said clearly: "So, my opinion is to just be more consentrated
on Mac/GNU-Linux support." . Because, I think more people participating in
Pd are in a different OS from windows.

 >By the way, I don't use IE7, I use Opera for 10 years now (which I
configured to acess my accounts >and mails from both windows and ubuntu).

I see you more... agreeing with me for how people should treat the Win OS
(and MacOS of course) than you think.

 >And curiously, at the same time you said GNU-Linux is so great, you moved
out of it to Mac -
 >where you have to pay double the amount for the hardware, and the
 >manufacturer even goes to the trouble of making sure every laptop model
has a different electricity
 >cable, so that you have to spend more money you case you loose it.
 >...At least I don't call mac users a bunch of preformatted hipsters who
stand for hours in line to be the
 >first to buy whatever crap Jobs launches on the market.

Is this "let the battle begin" kind of paragraph?
I allready told that I UNFORTUNATELY moved to Mac because of it's support
for audio producing and left the "strictly GNU-linux user" side of me.
Everyone has his reasons using the OS he has installed, eventually.

>I have a facebook account, which I use to see how other people are doing -
including some of the most advanced pd users present on this list, they post
more on it than I do.

Then you should add me. Nothing against Facebook using, I'm against
Farmville-like invitations.
 http://tinyurl.com/2v8fhps

On 18 September 2010 01:30, João Pais <jmmmpais at googlemail.com> wrote:

> Hi, I' m not a PD advanced user but here is my story:
>> I think the dilemma is "Do we need more users for PD (and make it work
>> perfectly in Windows too) or we need to aim the PD development for Linux/
>> Mac users (and don't waste our "limited resources")?"
>>
>> *Well , I have seen on youtube etc people using windows and they are
>> experts
>> of PureData* but how many are they really?
>> One of the reasons I chose to run GNU-Linux on my previous setup (besides
>> the xp partition) are things you can have in it. And yes, PD was one of my
>> major reasons! I unfortunately had then to buy a Mac because of the
>> support
>> of audio applications generally.
>>
>> Ok , most of people using a computer have Windows on their setup and in
>> countries like Greece ... you have to even use it in your university.
>> BUT: Do really people care about programs like PD or the
>> ideology/democratic
>> openess behind GNU-Linux when they use windows? Most of us had the first
>> choice for our system of windows and we MOVED when we saw what we can and
>> we
>> cannot do in it.
>>
>> So, my opinion is to just be more consentrated on Mac/GNU-Linux support.
>> There are not too many people who will really have the interest to learn
>> Pd
>> in depth and then browsing with IE7 their Facebook accounts.
>>
>> I honestly don't want to make Pd/Win users feel stupid.
>>
>
> No, but you just said something like "pd is too valuable for windows, these
> guys can't appreciate the beauty of it, and they just want to be fed
> whatever the big bo$$ puts in their mouths", and advocate to stop
> maintaining Pd for windows. And curiously, at the same time you said
> GNU-Linux is so great, you moved out of it to Mac - where you have to pay
> double the amount for the hardware, and the manufacturer even goes to the
> trouble of making sure every laptop model has a different electricity cable,
> so that you have to spend more money you case you loose it. And you're
> worried about people not following ideology?
>
> I'm a windows user, I don't know if I'm an "advanced pd user" (or what that
> is), but I've been using pd only for several years, have done my
> contributions to pd-ext (extra/jmmmp and donations in $), have patches for
> people to download if they want to, taken and given Pd workshops, was
> present in the Floss session, have worked on documentation, and partly
> organise the pd berlin users meeting. So, I don't appreciate when people
> judge windows users as idiots which don't know better, because I am one. At
> least I don't call mac users a bunch of preformatted hipsters who stand for
> hours in line to be the first to buy whatever crap Jobs launches on the
> market.
>
> By the way, I don't use IE7, I use Opera for 10 years now (which I
> configured to acess my accounts and mails from both windows and ubuntu). I
> have a facebook account, which I use to see how other people are doing -
> including some of the most advanced pd users present on this list, they post
> more on it than I do.
>
> If you want to advocate segregation go ahead, but be honest about it. After
> all you use unix, you have the moral advantage (or you like to say you do).
>
> João Pais
>
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