[PD] "I'm on unix, I'm much better than windows users!" (was Pd-extended 0.42.5 release candidate 6 released!)

Bernardo Barros bernardobarros2 at gmail.com
Sat Sep 18 17:22:30 CEST 2010


BTW I think the use of free software on Windows can be only
*moderately* encouraged. Just to give a taste, but the main
development focus should be on a free operating system.

2010/9/18 Bernardo Barros <bernardobarros2 at gmail.com>:
> What's the point of advocating a proprietary operating system that
> does not even have good quality software?
>
> Other think is: do not talk about price when you talk about free
> software.... That's losing the point. I think free software should be
> of very good quality and people should be encouraged to pay for it if
> they make money of of it, or if they can contribute with something.
>
> 2010/9/17 João Pais <jmmmpais at googlemail.com>:
>>> Hi, I' m not a PD advanced user but here is my story:
>>> I think the dilemma is "Do we need more users for PD (and make it work
>>> perfectly in Windows too) or we need to aim the PD development for Linux/
>>> Mac users (and don't waste our "limited resources")?"
>>>
>>> *Well , I have seen on youtube etc people using windows and they are
>>> experts
>>> of PureData* but how many are they really?
>>> One of the reasons I chose to run GNU-Linux on my previous setup (besides
>>> the xp partition) are things you can have in it. And yes, PD was one of my
>>> major reasons! I unfortunately had then to buy a Mac because of the
>>> support
>>> of audio applications generally.
>>>
>>> Ok , most of people using a computer have Windows on their setup and in
>>> countries like Greece ... you have to even use it in your university.
>>> BUT: Do really people care about programs like PD or the
>>> ideology/democratic
>>> openess behind GNU-Linux when they use windows? Most of us had the first
>>> choice for our system of windows and we MOVED when we saw what we can and
>>> we
>>> cannot do in it.
>>>
>>> So, my opinion is to just be more consentrated on Mac/GNU-Linux support.
>>> There are not too many people who will really have the interest to learn
>>> Pd
>>> in depth and then browsing with IE7 their Facebook accounts.
>>>
>>> I honestly don't want to make Pd/Win users feel stupid.
>>
>> No, but you just said something like "pd is too valuable for windows, these
>> guys can't appreciate the beauty of it, and they just want to be fed
>> whatever the big bo$$ puts in their mouths", and advocate to stop
>> maintaining Pd for windows. And curiously, at the same time you said
>> GNU-Linux is so great, you moved out of it to Mac - where you have to pay
>> double the amount for the hardware, and the manufacturer even goes to the
>> trouble of making sure every laptop model has a different electricity cable,
>> so that you have to spend more money you case you loose it. And you're
>> worried about people not following ideology?
>>
>> I'm a windows user, I don't know if I'm an "advanced pd user" (or what that
>> is), but I've been using pd only for several years, have done my
>> contributions to pd-ext (extra/jmmmp and donations in $), have patches for
>> people to download if they want to, taken and given Pd workshops, was
>> present in the Floss session, have worked on documentation, and partly
>> organise the pd berlin users meeting. So, I don't appreciate when people
>> judge windows users as idiots which don't know better, because I am one. At
>> least I don't call mac users a bunch of preformatted hipsters who stand for
>> hours in line to be the first to buy whatever crap Jobs launches on the
>> market.
>>
>> By the way, I don't use IE7, I use Opera for 10 years now (which I
>> configured to acess my accounts and mails from both windows and ubuntu). I
>> have a facebook account, which I use to see how other people are doing -
>> including some of the most advanced pd users present on this list, they post
>> more on it than I do.
>>
>> If you want to advocate segregation go ahead, but be honest about it. After
>> all you use unix, you have the moral advantage (or you like to say you do).
>>
>> João Pais
>>
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