[PD] unix and (bad) companies.

Wed Sep 29 21:44:42 CEST 2010

>the achilles heel for linux in my opinion is still video editing.
>I've tried everything from Broadcast2000 to Lives with no luck
>bueller?
I kinda agree. There's still need for a stronger video editor.

<my2cents>
In linux I use cinelerra, although I'm a major critic of its
interface+learning curve (these are strongly binded) and also crashes and
missing features (namely decent export formats,ruler adjusts, and so
forth).

Lives is horrific. kdenlive is a bit like cinelerra although with a nicer
interface, thus lowering learning curve. I should probably start using it
more, since cinelerra is not that good as I want.

</my2cents>

Anyway, that's it video editing software is still a bit behind, but for
instance video/codec converting is light years ahead with great tools such
as mencoder (it does virtually everything).

Best regards,
Pedro

On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 8:37 PM, Martin Eckart <imartron at gmail.com> wrote:

> I also used Blender for a video project last year.  It was definitely a
> learning curve but in all it did what I needed.
>
> -martin
>
> On Wed, 2010-09-22 at 16:38 +0200, Olivier Heinry wrote:
> > I started using Blender's sequence engine a few months back, and as long
> > as you install a version compiled with ffmpeg support, it works nicely.
> > it's a very different environment though.
> >
> > pros:
> > * x-platform
> > * features 3D!
> > * big community, alive project
> >
> > cons:
> > * implies learn very different shortcuts
> > * file browser not handy
> >
> > dont know if you can capture anything from within it, but pd/dvgrab does
> > the job for me.
> >
> > ++
> > OH
> >
> > Le 22/09/2010 16:16, Pagano, Patrick a écrit :
> > > cinelerra is basically Bcast2000 redone IMHO
> > > I will look at kdenlive i guess!
> > > :-)
> > > thx.
> > > ________________________________________
> > > From: Hans-Christoph Steiner [hans at at.or.at]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 10:07 AM
> > > To: Pagano, Patrick
> > > Cc: James Dunn; pd-list at iem.at
> > > Subject: Re: [PD] unix and (bad) companies.
> > >
> > > How about kdenlive or cinelerra?  I've been working a bit with kdelive
> > > and it seems pretty straightforward and even usable ;)
> > >
> > > .hc
> > >
> > > On Sep 22, 2010, at 9:57 AM, Pagano, Patrick wrote:
> > >
> > >> the achilles heel for linux in my opinion is still video editing.
> > >> I've tried everything from Broadcast2000 to Lives with no luck
> > >> bueller?
> > >> ________________________________________
> > >> From: pd-list-bounces at iem.at [pd-list-bounces at iem.at] On Behalf Of
> > >> James Dunn [james at 4thharmonic.com]
> > >> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 7:25 AM
> > >> To: pd-list at iem.at
> > >> Subject: Re: [PD] unix and (bad) companies.
> > >>
> > >> I love linux and ubuntu but the driver support is a bit of an issue.
> > >> I recently upgraded my mother's computer to 10.04 and now her Dell
> > >> V505 all-in-one printer doesn't work. I got no (helpful) response
> > >> from emailing Dell.
> > >> Secondly on a pd related problem, I am still running 8.04 because
> > >> the proprietary ATI driver (no longer maintained) will only run on
> > >> the old version of xorg and the open source driver doesn't have 3D
> > >> support for Gem...
> > >>
> > >> James
> > >>
> > >> Quoth servando barreiro, on 22/09/10 12:06:
> > >>
> > >> HI there..
> > >>
> > >> I just want to "share" my experiences with Os´s..
> > >>
> > >> I started in the nineties with a windows machine, I tried 95, 98,
> > >> millenium, nt, xp....
> > >> It hanged really frequently  (20 times in a day w cad software..) so
> > >> I assumed that as a normal function state from the machine..
> > >>
> > >> At some point I tried  beOS and I found it great but I couldn´t do
> > >> anything w it..
> > >>
> > >> years later, I discovered that computers with the fruit thing  and I
> > >> was really amazed, not just because of the stabilty  (but still one
> > >> or two hangs per day with os 9.2),  also because I could do audio in
> > >> real-time with them..  (well, coming from that windows nightmare,
> > >> even a gameboy was fascinating..)
> > >>
> > >> Then I got one.. and until the day, I´ve been using all the Os´s and
> > >> also tried almost all the hardware that was/is in the market.
> > >>
> > >> My experience with linux (about 4 years ago, ethic/curiosity  )
> > >> started very slow, but definitely in an ascendent curve of
> > >> satisfaction & admiration..
> > >>
> > >> Nowadays to code and to travel, I use a small thinkpad with ubuntu
> > >> 10 and the experience is just fantastic..   It´s actually so good
> > >> that I´m starting to hate all the mac shits..   Because when you
> > >> know where linux cames from and who works on it,  you can understand
> > >> that sometimes you have to put energy  on your side to look for a
> > >> driver or whatever  (Not the case at all w ubu 10).
> > >>
> > >> What I can´t understand....  Is that this big companies (micr/appl)
> > >> with hundred or "thousands" of good programmers working for them,
> > >> are still doing crap...   (seems that they are focusing energies in
> > >> making money & trying to protect his soft/hard  instead of making
> > >> good code...)
> > >>
> > >> yesterday I formatted my mac and I installed the last system
> > >> (10.6 ).  There´s a known bug on it  that not just doesn´t connect
> > >> to internet, it also keeps sending packets to the router until the
> > >> router stops working,,,, (???).
> > >>
> > >> I had to reset the router from the linux and download one by one the
> > >> system updates for the mac.  This bug is known since 10.6.0,  I
> > >> already have the 10.6.4  and the bug it´s still not solved
> > >> completely.,.. (???????)
> > >>
> > >> This just shows that It doesn´t matter how many hundreds of related
> > >> posts you do in the official apple forums & related..  apple just don
> > >> ´t give a shit about the problems of the users....  (specially if
> > >> your hardware it´s not brand new...).
> > >>
> > >> The ubuntu forums are far more clear and helpful than that,,
> > >>
> > >> About windows, I will not complain anymore... (not neccesary),  but
> > >> I still "understand" people that uses it, because there´s people
> > >> that doesn´t care about computers (even when they are working w
> > >> them..)
> > >>
> > >> what I do, when I´m teaching a workshop Is to carry one or two usb
> > >> sticks with a live distro (pure dyne / openartist ) and invite the
> > >> people to try a "truly" operative system..
> > >>
> > >> many of my friends, they have switched to Linux (at least
> > >> partially..) and they are happy w it.. (that makes me happy too..).
> > >>
> > >> If the trajectories of the operative systems evolutions  follow as
> > >> they are already, It wouldn´t sound strange to me that in some
> > >> years, the amount of linux users (pure or mixed) will increase
> > >> massively.
> > >>
> > >> To finish, I would just like to thank to all the linux developers /
> > >> contributors  for his hard work to make this incredibly operative
> > >> system.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
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Pedro Lopes (ongoing MSc)
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